2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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Grand Vol said:
Come on my friend, saying he's going to nuke Europe is a stretch of what he said.

You know I'm not a Trump supporter at all, but we're talking MSNBC and Mother Jones stretching the hell out of him talking out his rear end.
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I have to agree with you there, GV.

There's plenty to assail him on, including his lack of specificity, his antagonism towards women and minorities, etc. Just as I've rolled my eyes for 8 years at the nonsense thrown at Obama, when there is plenty of real subject matter to attack him on, I'm going to roll my eyes at oversimplistic hyperbole directed at Trump.
 
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bamawriter said:
Clinton will wreck Trump. I'm not really sure he wants to beat her, given how much money he's donated to the Clintons over the years.
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He's taken out 15 governors, standing senators and other seasoned politicians, he'll destroy her, and fwiw he's given money to both parties.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
He's taken out 15 governors, standing senators and other seasoned politicians, he'll destroy her, and fwiw he's given money to both parties.
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But he's beating them in the minor leagues. When he's up there for 2 hours and friendly commentators won't just accept, "It'll be great, believe me" as a foreign policy platform, he's in big trouble.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But he's beating them in the minor leagues. When he's up there for 2 hours and friendly commentators won't just accept, "It'll be great, believe me" as a foreign policy platform, he's in big trouble.
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If you think he's not going to be substantive after he wins the nomination you're delusional as well. You and your ilk have been predicting his demise since last June. Sit back and watch your candidate get clobbered...
 

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lawgator1 said:
But he's beating them in the minor leagues. When he's up there for 2 hours and friendly commentators won't just accept, "Hope and change" as a foreign policy platform, we're in big trouble.
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Fixed it for relevancy. I guess if he would add "fundamentally change the Constitution" then you would be all in.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But he's beating them in the minor leagues. When he's up there for 2 hours and friendly commentators won't just accept, "It'll be great, believe me" as a foreign policy platform, he's in big trouble.
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Saying that Trump will suddenly become substantive and articulate in the general is akin to saying that all of his supporters are braindead cultists who care more about the man than his policies. It's hard to say Trump isn't a politican when he's up there putting on a clown show to appeal to vulnerable demographics.
 
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If Hillary faces off against a moderate republican, there is a possibility that she may lose. The younger crowd will be very apathetic toward this election considering their disdain for her.

But if she were to run against Trump, the same young people that might have sat this one out, will most likely vote to ensure that Trump is not the next President. I think the republican voters will show up regardless of who the candidate is. The hatred for Hillary is too strong for them to sit this one out.

The wild card will be the younger voters like always, and if they decide to vote to spite Trump, Hillary will win. So yes, out of all the candidates that can face off against Hillary, Trump has the worst chance of successfully winning the general because of that reason.
 
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Persian Vol said:
If Hillary faces off against a moderate republican, there is a possibility that she may lose. The younger crowd will be very apathetic toward this election considering their disdain for her.

But if she were to run against Trump, the same young people that might have sat this one out, will most likely vote to ensure that Trump is not the next President. I think the republican voters will show up regardless of who the candidate is. The hatred for Hillary is too strong for them to sit this one out.

The wild card will be the younger voters like always, and if they decide to vote to spite Trump, Hillary will win. So yes, out of all the candidates that can face off against Hillary, Trump has the worst chance of successfully winning the general because of that reason.
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How about all those younger voters who are feelin' the Bern? They don't strike me as motivated Hillary supporters if he is out...and that demographic tends to stay home anyway.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
How about all those younger voters who are feelin' the Bern? They don't strike me as motivated Hillary supporters if he is out...and that demographic tends to stay home anyway.
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Nailed it Ernest, the Bern supporters will sit this one out and a certain percentage will vote for Trump when they realize they got shafted by a rigged process..
 
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You all keep forgetting the extent to which Trump, if the nominee, is going to be exposed. Right now, you only hear mild grumbling out of Fox about his lack of specificity, and that's his logical home channel in a general.

In the debates, he could get by because he had a minute to answer, and the platitudes just sounded great because in that time he could just repeat the complaint the base has about how unresponsive DC is, how weak Obama is, etc. He'd get asked: "What will you do about the budget" and he could answer for 60 seconds, saying "Remember the good old days?" and get away with it.

In the general, he will have to provide detail. And he has none. Repeal and replace Obamacare -- with what? Tax reform -- how? Stronger defense -- in what way. Etc., etc.

You can fool the GOP base for 6 months with clever sayings, insults, and hats. But in the general, he can't get away with that. And unlike the nomination process, he will not be able to turn the crowd on the press in the general.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
How about all those younger voters who are feelin' the Bern? They don't strike me as motivated Hillary supporters if he is out...and that demographic tends to stay home anyway.
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Not at all. It is a major concern for Hillary. That is why if she was facing off against someone like kasich, she would have a difficult time. But those same young people hate Donald trump as much as they love Bernie, and they will likely turn up to vote against Donald Trump. Any other year this is an easy loss for Hillary.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You all keep forgetting the extent to which Trump, if the nominee, is going to be exposed. Right now, you only hear mild grumbling out of Fox about his lack of specificity, and that's his logical home channel in a general.

In the debates, he could get by because he had a minute to answer, and the platitudes just sounded great because in that time he could just repeat the complaint the base has about how unresponsive DC is, how weak Obama is, etc. He'd get asked: "What will you do about the budget" and he could answer for 60 seconds, saying "Remember the good old days?" and get away with it.

In the general, he will have to provide detail. And he has none. Repeal and replace Obamacare -- with what? Tax reform -- how? Stronger defense -- in what way. Etc., etc.

You can fool the GOP base for 6 months with clever sayings, insults, and hats. But in the general, he can't get away with that. And unlike the nomination process, he will not be able to turn the crowd on the press in the general.
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Tou want substance? Go no his website, there's plenty there including his tax plan and health care options. He was the first candidate to put anything out there regarding taxes and healthcare, but you already knew that right?
 

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FLVOL69 said:
Tou want substance? Go no his website, there's plenty there including his tax plan and health care options. He was the first candidate to put anything out there regarding taxes and healthcare, but you already knew that right?
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He does have the best "workable" tax plan. Basically, just a reduction in rates that would easily pass with a GOP congress. A fix on carried interest and lowering the repatriation tax...its done.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
He does have the best "workable" tax plan. Basically, just a reduction in rates that would easily pass with a GOP congress. A fix on carried interest and lowering the repatriation tax...its done.
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With almost no spending reductions to offset that. I suspect we would see the Dems start using the debt as a partisan attack in a Trump presidency after spending the last 8 years ignoring it.
 
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UTCVol said:
With almost no spending reductions to offset that. I suspect we would see the Dems start using the debt as a partisan attack in a Trump presidency after spending the last 8 years ignoring it.
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I'm sure dems would scream that and the "economics challenged" would eat it up. But taxes are a drain on the economy. Everything expands with lower taxes. Hasn't Trump proposed spending cuts as well?
 
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This is why in a normal year, Clinton would probably have no chance:

Clinton
42% favorable, 56% unfavorable (-14)

And this is why she'll probably be the next POTUS barring a hugely damaging scandal:

Trump
32% favorable, 65% unfavorable (-33)
 
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I don't think Trump is going to have enough time to effectively campaign against Hillary. He should probably start now, to be honest. Maybe he will after Tuesday, especially if he exceeds expectations in delegate count.

The RNC isn't until late July. He'll likely walk away the nominee, but that would only leave him a few months to start truly campaigning against her. Meanwhile, she's going to shift gears very soon now that Sanders is essentially dead in the water.

The Cruz-Kasich alliance just seems like a stall tactic to divide Trump's campaign resources and attention all the way up until the convention, at which point it will be too late for him to really begin going on the offensive against Hillary.
 
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UTCVol said:
This is why in a normal year, Clinton would probably have no chance:

Clinton
42% favorable, 56% unfavorable (-14)

And this is why she'll probably be the next POTUS barring a hugely damaging scandal:

Trump
32% favorable, 65% unfavorable (-33)
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Doesn't mean dick this far from the election, a lot can and will happen before then including more terrorist activity.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lower rates on everyone?
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When I read his plan, I see a simple reduction in rates as the primary idea for everyone except those paying cap gains rates on carried interest. The current corp rate is the economy killer right now. Lowering that to a competitive level would mean capital flows in our direction. A good thing.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
I'm sure dems would scream that and the "economics challenged" would eat it up. But taxes are a drain on the economy. Everything expands with lower taxes. Hasn't Trump proposed spending cuts as well?
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I'm sure he'll cut some programs like the Department of Education, but those are peanuts compared to the real fiscal nightmare affecting this nation. Entitlements? He seems solidly in favor. Military? He's in the peace through strength camp.

To me he's a mixed bag economically. His tax plan is fine if spending is dramatically reduced. Not sure where that's going to come from based on what he's said. Lowering the corporate rate is a very sound idea. I don't agree with his stance on trade, but I still think his current rhetoric may just be talk. Deporting 11 million people would probably have a far-reaching impact, but I'm not nearly well-versed enough in economics to make any conclusions on that front.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
When I read his plan, I see a simple reduction in rates as the primary idea for everyone except those paying cap gains rates on carried interest. The current corp rate is the economy killer right now. Lowering that to a competitive level would mean capital flows in our direction. A good thing.
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Good luck getting that kind of thing passed. Apparently making (and keeping) a profit in the country is unpatriotic. So companies will have to operate under the threat of confiscation should they bring those profits home, and then make/keep them here. Frankly, if I were CEO of a Fortune 500 I would leave all that money overseas anyway. This two faced government will run a bait and switch and then they are screwed.
 
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UTCVol said:
This is why in a normal year, Clinton would probably have no chance:

Clinton
42% favorable, 56% unfavorable (-14)

And this is why she'll probably be the next POTUS barring a hugely damaging scandal:

Trump
32% favorable, 65% unfavorable (-33)
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This was basically what I was trying to say
 
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