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At the end of each game, my impression was that the offense let Oklahoma get away, and the defense let Florida get away.

Again, just the impressions I had at the end of each. I'm not going back to watch either. :mad:

That said, it's not really all on any one player or unit. It just tends to be more on some than others.
 
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triadvolfan said:
I'd probably put him in 4th on that list (which is basically, all the backs I've watched play). I'd take Webb, Garner, or Lewis over him. I'd probably put him at the top of the next group with Henry, Stephens, Cobb, and Stewart.

That's just backs in the last 30 years. I'm sure there are other backs if you go back farther. If he stays healthy though he's about to break all of their records.
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"I'm sure there are other backs if you go back farther."

Like Johnny Majors?

It'd be hard to put him above Henry or Stephens. I think it's more the way those two would carry their teams at times. Stephens was so focused and determined that year. Henry in 98 just skull-drug Arkansas to close out the game. It helps that they had way better o-lines, and it's not to knock Hurd. We just have the tint of nostalgia on those other guys.

Really, I'm just glad we have a guy like Hurd that we can even compare to Tennessee's best.
 
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I've said it a few times.

If Gaulden and Martin were healthy, we win Florida and Oklahoma. Arkansas we were just outplayed.
 
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I'm pumped to see what Hurd will do this year behind a more mature and experienced O-line. I think we're going to see an even better running game, and passing can't get much worse, so I think we'll get a bump there too.

Oh, and I just won a copy of Seth Price's book on twitter. Looking forward to reading it...
 
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What if the Vols deployed a triple-option offense against UF or Bama, knowing that their defenses would have done zero prep for it? Has a team ever come out running a completely different offense than its normal offense before?

We know that they practiced the triple-option during fall camp last year, but they only showed it a few times last season.

Dobbs, Hurd, and Kamara would be deadly running it. And we have the athletic OL to pull it off. Would be incredible to catch one of those teams completely off guard by running an offense they weren't expecting.
 
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VolsnCards5 said:
I think it was 8

One was a play action that led to a long gain for Ellis
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It looked like they ran that same play in the bowl game with the "fullback" running up the seam or run blocking. I noticed in one of the practice videos this spring that they were working a route where the fullback ran out into the flat off the snap. I'd say they plan to expand on the under center stuff.
 
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Aesius said:
What if the Vols deployed a triple-option offense against UF or Bama, knowing that their defenses would have done zero prep for it? Has a team ever come out running a completely different offense than its normal offense before?

We know that they practiced the triple-option during fall camp last year, but they only showed it a few times last season.

Dobbs, Hurd, and Kamara would be deadly running it. And we have the athletic OL to pull it off. Would be incredible to catch one of those teams completely off guard by running an offense they weren't expecting.
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I love the idea of the option as a change of pace. It can work from about any formation, but might be a fantastic wrinkle to the wrinkle that is the I-formation.
 
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Aesius said:
What if the Vols deployed a triple-option offense against UF or Bama, knowing that their defenses would have done zero prep for it? Has a team ever come out running a completely different offense than its normal offense before?

We know that they practiced the triple-option during fall camp last year, but they only showed it a few times last season.

Dobbs, Hurd, and Kamara would be deadly running it. And we have the athletic OL to pull it off. Would be incredible to catch one of those teams completely off guard by running an offense they weren't expecting.
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Didn't Debord do that when he was an OC at Michigan in a bowl game? Week to week, I'm not sure.
 
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bcmbvol said:
It looked like they ran that same play in the bowl game with the "fullback" running up the seam or run blocking. I noticed in one of the practice videos this spring that they were working a route where the fullback ran out into the flat off the snap. I'd say they plan to expand on the under center stuff.
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Lot of little variations that could lead to explosive plays as well as contribute to time of possession...especially as an offset to the spread in the uptempo pace.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Didn't Debord do that when he was an OC at Michigan in a bowl game? Week to week, I'm not sure.
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Michigan ran a pro set offense. They played UF in a bowl for Carr's last game. The story is that Debord convinced Carr to play out of the shotgun and spread UF out to get guys in space. They won the game.

When I heard this when Debord was hired, I watched some of that game. At some point, Michigan goes to an empty set shotgun (I think Henne was QB), and Todd Blackledge literally says, "I have never seen this formation from Michigan all year long." At that point, I believed the story.
 
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I loved the I-formation stuff because I believe Hurd is more comfortable with it. However, it was so successful because NU had not practiced for it at all.
 
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Aesius said:
What if the Vols deployed a triple-option offense against UF or Bama, knowing that their defenses would have done zero prep for it? Has a team ever come out running a completely different offense than its normal offense before?

We know that they practiced the triple-option during fall camp last year, but they only showed it a few times last season.

Dobbs, Hurd, and Kamara would be deadly running it. And we have the athletic OL to pull it off. Would be incredible to catch one of those teams completely off guard by running an offense they weren't expecting.
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It happens in bowl games. Baylor vs. North Carolina is the most recent example that comes to mind. I don't remember any similar instances in a regular season game, though I could be wrong.

I think you'd either be working with a basic skeleton of the new system (which any good defense and DC should be able to handle as soon as they identify it and adjust... granted, this may afford you a a quick score or two before the adjustment happens) or you'd be at risk of sabotaging your own players - a player who has to think too much slows down and makes mistakes. I feel like this may be the kind of idea that works better in theory than in practice.
 
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Volnukem said:
I loved the I-formation stuff because I believe Hurd is more comfortable with it. However, it was so successful because NU had not practiced for it at all.
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Are you saying nobody NU played all season ran the I-formation as I thought that was the offense run by the majority of the Big10 teams? Doesn't NU run the I themselves? Wouldn't they have practiced against it all season?
 
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Volnukem said:
I loved the I-formation stuff because I believe Hurd is more comfortable with it. However, it was so successful because NU had not practiced for it at all.
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I agree that it caught them off guard but I don't agree that they would have stuffed had they expected it.

Perhaps we wouldn't have had so much success but I expect us to be successful with it next year even if the opponent is prepared
 
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