Third down for Dobbs

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Josh Dobbs is the SEC's Best Quarterback on Third Down - Rocky Top Talk

"You would expect Dobbs' completion percentage to go down and his yards per attempt to go up on third-and-long, as they do. It's encouraging to see his completion percentage go up fairly significantly on third-and-medium. But his ability to just get the first down stands out the most:

18 first downs converted through the air on 3rd and 4-6 was 15th nationally and best among SEC quarterbacks; no one else had more than 13.
16 first downs converted through the air on 3rd and 7-9 was fifth best nationally, also best among SEC quarterbacks; no one else had more than 11."
 
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I've brought this up several times but folks don't want to listen to it.

Josh can be a great PASSING QB. He's as talented as Deshaun Watson. Our coaching staff is just not using him properly.
 
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VolsnRavens said:
Josh Dobbs is the SEC's Best Quarterback on Third Down - Rocky Top Talk

"You would expect Dobbs' completion percentage to go down and his yards per attempt to go up on third-and-long, as they do. It's encouraging to see his completion percentage go up fairly significantly on third-and-medium. But his ability to just get the first down stands out the most:

18 first downs converted through the air on 3rd and 4-6 was 15th nationally and best among SEC quarterbacks; no one else had more than 13.
16 first downs converted through the air on 3rd and 7-9 was fifth best nationally, also best among SEC quarterbacks; no one else had more than 11."
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This and that Dobbs' 50% (34 first in 68 attempts) conversion leads the SEC. Fancy that
 
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He's not as talented as Watson. Stop that. Dobbs is a nice quarterback but he's not on the same level as Watson. No shame in that.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I've brought this up several times but folks don't want to listen to it.

Josh can be a great PASSING QB. He's as talented as Deshaun Watson. Our coaching staff is just not using him properly.
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Well...... what else would the guy with the screen name "Dobbs 4 Heisman" say? :)
 
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The Orange Pants said:
He's not as talented as Watson. Stop that. Dobbs is a nice quarterback but he's not on the same level as Watson. No shame in that.
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They're actually exactly the same. Josh is slightly taller and more durable. Watson has a better deep ball. Other than that they are the same.

Both have strong arms. Great athleticism. Good accuracy on medium range passes. Great intelligence and leadership qualities.

I take Dobbs over Watson because of the durability difference.
 
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I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and I'm not going to quote you because I know many people probably have you blocked.
But come on, dude. When have you ever seen Dobbs shred a defense with surgical precision? If they were the same, we would be defending champs.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and I'm not going to quote you because I know many people probably have you blocked.
But come on, dude. When have you ever seen Dobbs shred a defense with surgical precision? If they were the same, we would be defending champs.
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Like you said I'm sure folks would rather talk about Josh's 3rd down percentage than argue over my beliefs.

I'll just say that I stand by my comment and we'll find out in 12 months whether I'm right or completely wrong.

I've stated (many times already) that Dobbs will have a phenomenal senior year PASSING the football. He'll be a 1st round draft choice next year.

I'm not here to convince you. I'm just putting my views on the record so when they come to pass, you'll know I saw it coming.
 
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VolsnRavens said:
Josh Dobbs is the SEC's Best Quarterback on Third Down - Rocky Top Talk

"You would expect Dobbs' completion percentage to go down and his yards per attempt to go up on third-and-long, as they do. It's encouraging to see his completion percentage go up fairly significantly on third-and-medium. But his ability to just get the first down stands out the most:

18 first downs converted through the air on 3rd and 4-6 was 15th nationally and best among SEC quarterbacks; no one else had more than 13.
16 first downs converted through the air on 3rd and 7-9 was fifth best nationally, also best among SEC quarterbacks; no one else had more than 11."
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we had an uncanny ability to convert 3rd downs. it really was a bright spot last year, and also a spot that caused me a ton of stress.

i think the focus for the offense is how do we avoid 3rd and 5+....cause last year, the problem wasn't the conversion %, it was the # of attempts in the first place.

we were NOT a good 1st down offense. that has to change....
 
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jakez4ut said:
we had an uncanny ability to convert 3rd downs. it really was a bright spot last year, and also a spot that caused me a ton of stress.

i think the focus for the offense is how do we avoid 3rd and 5+....cause last year, the problem wasn't the conversion %, it was the # of attempts in the first place.

we were NOT a good 1st down offense. that has to change....
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I think it's because we're so predictable on first down. We always run it. I believe we had the highest or second highest run percentage on first down in the SEC.

I'd like to see us throw to set up the run game in 2016 unlike last year where we ran the ball to set up the throw game.
 
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Its a lot easier to throw when the opponent doesn't know that you're gonna throw it.

I wish we could become a little more unpredictable.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I think it's because we're so predictable on first down. We always run it. I believe we had the highest or second highest run percentage on first down in the SEC.

I'd like to see us throw to set up the run game in 2016 unlike last year where we ran the ball to set up the throw game.
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We need to throw to our TE on first down.It's wide open every game we play.Soften up the middle of the field and the run game becomes better.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its a lot easier to throw when the opponent doesn't know that you're gonna throw it.

I wish we could become a little more unpredictable.
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I think we will be more unpredictable. I loved seeing that I-formation we used in the bowl game, the play action off that could be deadly especially if dobbs proves he can complete passes more often then not.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I think it's because we're so predictable on first down. We always run it. I believe we had the highest or second highest run percentage on first down in the SEC.

I'd like to see us throw to set up the run game in 2016 unlike last year where we ran the ball to set up the throw game.
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we ran for nearly 3000 yards, it's not like it wasn't a good thing to run the ball...especially with the three headed monster in the backfield.

it's not just that we didn't pass on 1st down, we just weren't productive enough to get us in 2nd and 5 or shorter. i don't have all the stats down by down, but we were a run heavy team, and in my opinion, one of the best things that can happen to our passing game is to average 4+ yards on 1st down...no matter what.

2nd and 8+ really makes your offense predictable.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Like you said I'm sure folks would rather talk about Josh's 3rd down percentage than argue over my beliefs.

I'll just say that I stand by my comment and we'll find out in 12 months whether I'm right or completely wrong.

I've stated (many times already) that Dobbs will have a phenomenal senior year PASSING the football. He'll be a 1st round draft choice next year.

I'm not here to convince you. I'm just putting my views on the record so when they come to pass, you'll know I saw it coming.
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So will you eat crow if he doesn't get drafted in the 1st round, or will you sit here and make excuses like you did with Brian Randolph? Which you still haven't owned up to yet...:whistling:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I've brought this up several times but folks don't want to listen to it.

Josh can be a great PASSING QB. He's as talented as Deshaun Watson. Our coaching staff is just not using him properly.
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Dobbs has zero touch, and is awful at throwing the ball deep. Watson has great touch and throws a good deep ball. The only thing these two guys have in common is that they are both great runners at the qb position.

It's hard to blame the coaches for Dobbs throwing 85% of his deep attempts 10 yards over the head of his receiver.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I've brought this up several times but folks don't want to listen to it.
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That's because in all the close loses where we blew big leads the offense could not stay on the field and complete the most important drives to close out games. All other stats are meaningless untile Dobbs (and the rest of the offense) can prove that they can sustain drives that put good teams away in 4th quarter. You can put a lot of blame for that on coaching as well, but as far as I'm concerned Dobbs is also to blame - so far I have no confidence he can convert those key third down throws in last 5 minutes vs likes of Bama and UF (and let's be honest those are the only ones that matter if he is ever going to change the perception that he is not a reliable passer).
 
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The Orange Pants said:
He's not as talented as Watson. Stop that. Dobbs is a nice quarterback but he's not on the same level as Watson. No shame in that.
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I wouldn't trade Josh for anyone in the country but I cannot promote he has the most talent of people playing that position in CFB. Watson? I'm not convinced. Josh is talented and has plenty of it but more "talented" than Kelly at Ole Miss? I'm not sure I could cosign that for only one example.
 
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TGVol said:
That's because in all the close loses where we blew big leads the offense could not stay on the field and complete the most important drives to close out games. All other stats are meaningless untile Dobbs (and the rest of the offense) can prove that they can sustain drives that put good teams away in 4th quarter. You can put a lot of blame for that on coaching as well, but as far as I'm concerned Dobbs is also to blame - so far I have no confidence he can convert those key third down throws in last 5 minutes vs likes of Bama and UF (and let's be honest those are the only ones that matter if he is ever going to change the perception that he is not a reliable passer).
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i think it's an oversimplification to say "we couldn't stay on the field and that's the reason".

we actually had some good drives that could be considered close out drives....like the one in the FL game that took up half the 3rd qtr and ran in to the 4th, that resulted in a TD....that was impressive.

the reality is the defense would put the offense in a bad spot, and then the offense would put the defense in a bad spot.

bottom line, other than the GA and USC game (conf games and games of note anyway) we didn't finish, no matter what side of hte ball was out there. Offense didn't get 1st downs and defense didn't make stops on multiple 4th downs.

that's the exact opposite of complimentary football.

and if that changes this year, then look out.
 
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