Satellite camps banned

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BruinVol said:
Another example of the NCAA doing the opposite of keeping the best interest of the student athlete in mind


Satellite camps allow kids to showcase their skills for a much larger variety of schools that they normally wouldn't be able to do so due to financial circumstances. Outlawing these camps will limit a large majority of kids from being able to attend and that's a
shame.

NCAA again shows it's against anything that might help the kids better themselves
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Are the camps to showcase skills or build skills? And outlawing these doesn't stop the kids from attending camps that are sponsored by colleges, universities or other organizations in their areas. If they are interested in school X and school X is interested in them, then they need to visit school X.
 
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BruinVol said:
It takes $ to do that and many Of these kids can't afford that. That's the basis of my opinion here
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So you think that if these satellite camps were held that it wouldn't cost money to attend? Never mind the fact that whoever hosts them gets a huge recruiting advantage. Not too mention kids traveling to the camps that are instate recruits that now suddenly have to pay for a plane ticket to stay in good terms with w/e team is hosting the camp. Right it would cost less. . .
 
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BruinVol said:
It takes $ to do that and many Of these kids can't afford that. That's the basis of my opinion here
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So you think the kids that can't afford to visit a school can afford to participate in multiple camps.

Seriously, this was not going to lead to the idea of having a master camp in a location where all the major universities were represented, thus allowing a player to get all the exposure with one camp.

Rather what was going to happen is that in an area where there are lots of really good players there was going to be multiple camps by all that can afford to do that with charges to each. To get that exposure said player was going to have to spend lots of money, which could easily be in the thousands of dollar range very quickly.

Additionally in those areas with less talent, you would see universities stop participating, which means those players are either out of luck, or have to travel to where the best talent was.

IMO, the camps need to stay what they are - a place for players to learn - and not become a recruiting vehicle.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
So you think that if these satellite camps were held that it wouldn't cost money to attend? Never mind the fact that whoever hosts them gets a huge recruiting advantage. Not too mention kids traveling to the camps that are instate recruits that now suddenly have to pay for a plane ticket to stay in good terms with w/e team is hosting the camp. Right it would cost less. . .
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Wth are you saying?

Of course it cost to go to camps because that's the NCAA rule. Let me help you see the difference.

Attend satellite camp in Florida:
100$ camp fee and 25$ gas to travel
125$ total


Attend camp in michigan:
$100 camp fee
$300Plane ticket not counting parent
$100 hotel
100$ rental car/ transportation
600$ total

Not a lot of football recruits can afford many 600$ trips to chase a dream
 
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Media is really crying for this guy, but his big mouth and flaunting it in the face of the SEC really cost him more than anything.
He really didnt land or steal any big time recruits from this.
 
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What some seem to not realize is that these camps are not to "find/discover" new talent.....they are a PR move.......if a kid is good the schools ALREADY know about him and there are systems in place to get that kid on campus......removing satellite camps are in no way "hurting" the kids that have a chance at a scholly from a school......
 
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T-TownVol said:
What some seem to not realize is that these camps are not to "find/discover" new talent.....they are a PR move.......if a kid is good the schools ALREADY know about him and there are systems in place to get that kid on campus......removing satellite camps are in no way "hurting" the kids that have a chance at a scholly from a school......
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Agree in the part about kids already being known about but clearly the rest of the post is wrong


Camps are designed for coaches to get to work with players and also see how they go about their business all the while getting measurables that determine if offers are extended.

Many many kids earn their offers at camps
 
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Well its started already. The mentally ill liberals at Disney ESPN via Mike and Mike are decrying this new rule change as unfair to disadvantaged
players, and claim this will prevent "thousands and thousands of kids from obtaining college scholarships."

M&M came out pretty hard on this ruling, ESPN is getting harder and harder to swallow by the day.
 
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Now we know where Bruin is getting his talking points......ignorant people, about a subject, make ignorant arguments.......
 
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T-TownVol said:
What some seem to not realize is that these camps are not to "find/discover" new talent.....they are a PR move.......if a kid is good the schools ALREADY know about him and there are systems in place to get that kid on campus......removing satellite camps are in no way "hurting" the kids that have a chance at a scholly from a school......
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The problem on forums like VN is that the concerns of the Power 5 schools and their pursuit of the top 350 players or so is all that we think about but that is a very small percentage of the players who attend camps and of the players seeking scholarships (many players attend these camps just for the purpose of becoming better high school football players) ...Banning these camps could indeed prevent a player who wishes to play at a MAC school from being exposed to a coach that might be interested. These satellite camps are not just for the elite programs and the elite players but these restrictions do impact them just as much or more. The camps are for everybody and taking them away will have more of an impact on those players who aren't on the radar for the major programs from getting scholarship offers from smaller schools.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The problem on forums like VN is that the concerns of the Power 5 schools and their pursuit of the top 350 players or so is all that we think about but that is a very small percentage of the players who attend camps and of the players seeking scholarships (many players attend these camps just for the purpose of becoming better high school football players) ...Banning these camps could indeed prevent a player who wishes to play at a MAC school from being exposed to a coach that might be interested. These satellite camps are not just for the elite programs and the elite players but these restrictions do impact them just as much or more. The camps are for everybody and taking them away will have more of an impact on those players who aren't on the radar for the major programs from getting scholarship offers from smaller schools.
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Bingo


Camps are coveted destinations for thousands of kids. Most have no real shot of playing elite college football yet they spend thousands on traveling to camps.

Satellite camps would make it much easier to attend multiple schools camps for kids that are much better off attending a non power 5 camp than the big boys camps
 
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HoptownVol said:
Well its started already. The mentally ill liberals at Disney ESPN via Mike and Mike are decrying this new rule change as unfair to disadvantaged
players, and claim this will prevent "thousands and thousands of kids from obtaining college scholarships."

M&M came out pretty hard on this ruling, ESPN is getting harder and harder to swallow by the day.
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Greeny also thinks Ole Miss is located in Athens, Georgia. The guy is a moron and a tool.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The problem on forums like VN is that the concerns of the Power 5 schools and their pursuit of the top 350 players or so is all that we think about but that is a very small percentage of the players who attend camps and of the players seeking scholarships (many players attend these camps just for the purpose of becoming better high school football players) ...Banning these camps could indeed prevent a player who wishes to play at a MAC school from being exposed to a coach that might be interested. These satellite camps are not just for the elite programs and the elite players but these restrictions do impact them just as much or more. The camps are for everybody and taking them away will have more of an impact on those players who aren't on the radar for the major programs from getting scholarship offers from smaller schools.
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Dead wrong......the HS coaches are sending film, free of charge, to any school that a kid is interested in going to.....you are saying that a college coach can not evaluate a player off of their film......if they are interested in said player, they will go see him or get him on campus.......don't drink the Kool-Aide of this "preventing" any kids from the exposure they need to get recruited......the NCAA saw right through it.......
 
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BruinVol said:
Says the poster that thinks kids don't earn scholarship offers at camps
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that offer is EARNED months before......the day of the camp might be the day tat it becomes official......once again, ignorance.....
 
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T-TownVol said:
Dead wrong......the HS coaches are sending film, free of charge, to any school that a kid is interested in going to.....you are saying that a college coach can not evaluate a player off of their film......if they are interested in said player, they will go see him or get him on campus.......don't drink the Kool-Aide of this "preventing" any kids from the exposure they need to get recruited......the NCAA saw right through it.......
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And you are the one posting others don't understand recruiting


You really expect a coach to solely base their evaluation on a film?

Surely to goodness a poster claiming others are ignorant wouldn't be that ignorant themselves
 
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I'm done here....keep getting your recruiting education from ESPN.........it serves you well......
 
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T-TownVol said:
that offer is EARNED months before......the day of the camp might be the day tat it becomes official......once again, ignorance.....
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Lol


Very very ignorant opinion considering how many offers get extended after strong performances at camps. Countless quotes from players and recruiting analyst confirming just that after camps
 
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BruinVol said:
And you are the one posting others don't understand recruiting


You really expect a coach to solely base their evaluation on a film?

Surely to goodness a poster claiming others are ignorant wouldn't be that ignorant themselves
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Reading is fundamental......
 
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T-TownVol said:
Dead wrong......the HS coaches are sending film, free of charge, to any school that a kid is interested in going to.....you are saying that a college coach can not evaluate a player off of their film......if they are interested in said player, they will go see him or get him on campus.......don't drink the Kool-Aide of this "preventing" any kids from the exposure they need to get recruited......the NCAA saw right through it.......
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Talent evaluations (and the evaluations of a player's potential) are made at these camps. You are looking at this only from the perspective of the Power 5 schools and the players they extend scholarship offers toward... not the perspective of a school that might extend an offer to someone who just took up the sport (such as a Kongbo) or was a late bloomer or maybe has had injury issues. There are many reasons a high school player might not have much film to evaluate. Good grief.
 
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