2016 Election Thread Part Deux

#1,526
#1,526
SuperDave said:
Just vote for Sanders. I don't want Hillary to be president but right now it looks like whoever the Democratic nominee is will be president. If Trump is not given the nomination then those millions of votes are going somewhere besides the douche the RNC throws up there. Like it or not Trump is the only hope the Republicans have. So do America a favor and vote for Bernie.
Click to expand...

You think the only candidate who loses to Hillary in every poll is the one with the best chance to win? You are probably right that a lot of trump supporters won't vote for anyone else. The issue is there are far more non trump supporters. Millions of them will sit out before voting for trump.
 
#1,527
#1,527
lol

White House nixes petition calling for Donald Trump's arrest - AOL

More than 100,000 people have signed a White House petition proposing Donald Trump be arrested for inciting violence at his events during the 2016 election season.
But despite crossing the required threshold for receiving an official response from the White House, according to its website's terms of participation, the administration closed the petition Friday and declined to comment.
Click to expand...
 
#1,528
#1,528
I'm not sure Trump gets the nom anymore. With Cruz probably winning WI and Cruz and the establishment doing a better job of navigating the delegate quagmire (even in states that Trump won), it's going to be almost impossible if he doesn't reach 1237 outright.
 
#1,531
#1,531
Persian Vol said:
I don't disagree with the notion that we need a more educated electorate, but how would we enforce this exactly?
Click to expand...
It is a database problem, and it should be a simple matter of having the tax records at the polling places. Produce an ID (hmmmmm to pay taxes you have to have a Social Security number) and match it to those tax rolls. If you did not pay into the system, you do not vote. Easy. The politicos keep making everybody think this is difficult so they can control the vote.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#1,533
#1,533
PKT_VOL said:
If life starts at conception (hence murder), absolutely.
Click to expand...

I don't take a strong position on abortion one way or another. I see both sides and IDK if it's murder or not...

...but if you (rhetorical) believe it's murder, then how can you support abortion in cases of rape (and incest)? It's totally inconsistent. Just because you aren't responsible for conception, doesn't mean "murder" is OK.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#1,534
#1,534
n_huffhines said:
I don't take a strong position on abortion one way or another. I see both sides and IDK if it's murder or not...

...but if you (rhetorical) believe it's murder, then how can you support abortion in cases of rape (and incest)? It's totally inconsistent. Just because you aren't responsible for conception, doesn't mean "murder" is OK.
Click to expand...

the same way that people support murder charges for someone that causes the death of an unborn child but allows the mother to abort the same child.
 
#1,535
#1,535
SuperDave said:
Is abortion murder.. probably.. should a woman have a say so when it comes to her own body.. absolutely.
I'm more concerned about the children that are all ready here that nobody seems to give a damn about. Its funny that before they are born they are a precious, special life then after they are born.. well... F'em we got more important things to do now.
Click to expand...

I can never support giving someone the option of murdering a completely innocent person.

There are roughly 400k children in foster homes, and the US averages roughly 1.21 million abortions a year. I feel for the kids that are homeless and in foster homes, but no more than I do for the ones being murdered by the ones that created them because "it's their choice".
 
#1,536
#1,536
SpaceCoastVol said:
It is a database problem, and it should be a simple matter of having the tax records at the polling places. Produce an ID (hmmmmm to pay taxes you have to have a Social Security number) and match it to those tax rolls. If you did not pay into the system, you do not vote. Easy. The politicos keep making everybody think this is difficult so they can control the vote.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree that people who pay taxes should have greater power in our political process,but I don't see how this directly involves education. There are plenty of people who pay taxes that have no idea what is happening.
 
#1,537
#1,537
SpaceCoastVol said:
I am not. But isn't the unborn baby still innocent? Why does the circumstance of his creation make him evil and worthy of death?
Click to expand...

I don't think anyone considers the unborn baby "evil". But I see your point. I'm not one to strongly debate abortion. While I lean on the pro choice side, there are also logical premises (outside religion) on the pro life side. There's a reason abortion is one of the most if not the most controversial topic.
 
#1,541
#1,541
n_huffhines said:
I don't take a strong position on abortion one way or another. I see both sides and IDK if it's murder or not...

...but if you (rhetorical) believe it's murder, then how can you support abortion in cases of rape (and incest)? It's totally inconsistent. Just because you aren't responsible for conception, doesn't mean "murder" is OK.
Click to expand...

Why is incest even a consideration. If the incest wasn't consensual it's rape, if it was consensual why does it get treated any differently than others?
 
#1,544
#1,544
I think Cruz and Bernie both win tonight...would love to see a good ole meltdown in both parties at the conventions!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#1,547
#1,547
n_huffhines said:
I don't take a strong position on abortion one way or another. I see both sides and IDK if it's murder or not...

...but if you (rhetorical) believe it's murder, then how can you support abortion in cases of rape (and incest)? It's totally inconsistent. Just because you aren't responsible for conception, doesn't mean "murder" is OK.
Click to expand...

Agreed. If one buys into the concept of personhood at conception, the idea of abortion as murder follows.

What is interesting is that Trump's comments have illuminated is the inconsistencies/disconnect of the pro-life movement with respect to women who choose (see the article I linked above) and the exceptions of incest, rape, and life of the mother. Admittedly, the last of the exceptions is different than the first two.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#1,549
#1,549
Since the other thread wasn't appropriate...

hog88 said:
They would but come November and its Hillary vs any Republican, they are voting Hillary.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't be sure the masses will quickly change over to Hillary, even if Trump is the GOP nominee. She is the "establishment" in a year where that's like saying she is Typhoid Mary. Bernie has attracted all sorts of younger voters with his rhetoric and even though Hillary has tried to out "left" him, they are still skeptical of what she's saying. This isn't 2008 where the main candidate is popular and charismatic. She just does't have the charm Obama had back then.

You're right they might vote against Trump, but not in the numbers you saw in 2008.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#1,550
#1,550
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top