To Protect and to Serve II

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GAVol said:
One is on a public road; the other is on private property. And I don't think it's very feasible to post officers inside a bar as a preventative measure. It'd surely be detrimental to the bar's business.
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It is just as detrimental to have cops hiding a mile down the road.

Why are you people so dead set against cops offering to "serve" the public and actually save a life quite possibly and offer the guy a cab or even a ride home in the squad car?

At some point, we are going to realize that we can't jail everybody and afford it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is just as detrimental to have cops hiding a mile down the road.

Why are you people so dead set against cops offering to "serve" the public and actually save a life quite possibly and offer the guy a cab or even a ride home in the squad car?

At some point, we are going to realize that we can't jail everybody and afford it.
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One minute you're talking about personal freedom, the next you want cops hanging out in parking lots of bars, offering "rides" to impaired patrons...

Make up your mind.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
One minute you're talking about personal freedom, the next you want cops hanging out in parking lots of bars, offering "rides" to impaired patrons...

Make up your mind.
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I've made up my mind... I don't want people going to jail and ruining their lives over pre-crimes. The problem is with your side of the argument. If you are going to hang your hats on public safety and what not, then take the courtesy of going to random local bars and offering rides home either in a squad car or in a cab. There isn't any violation of freedom if you are taking someone home.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've made up my mind... I don't want people going to jail and ruining their lives over pre-crimes. The problem is with your side of the argument. If you are going to hang your hats on public safety and what not, then take the courtesy of going to random local bars and offering rides home either in a squad car or in a cab. There isn't any violation of freedom if you are taking someone home.
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These people don't care about ruining their own lives or the lives of others
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've made up my mind... I don't want people going to jail and ruining their lives over pre-crimes. The problem is with your side of the argument. If you are going to hang your hats on public safety and what not, then take the courtesy of going to random local bars and offering rides home either in a squad car or in a cab. There isn't any violation of freedom if you are taking someone home.
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Ras, as you know, a cops job has little to do with serving the public, and everything to do with law enforcement.
They get fat off of enforcing the edicts of their political masters.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've made up my mind... I don't want people going to jail and ruining their lives over pre-crimes. The problem is with your side of the argument. If you are going to hang your hats on public safety and what not, then take the courtesy of going to random local bars and offering rides home either in a squad car or in a cab. There isn't any violation of freedom if you are taking someone home.
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Taxi service?..... Come on man....
 
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So cops can arrest people us on an arbitrary court orders for peaceful assembly?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beoKP7J-grc[/youtube]
 
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T-TownVol said:
Just curious cause I can not figure it out......is a "pre-crime" one that you are committing and just have not been caught doing yet?
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Well first off, lets determine what a "crime" is. A crime is an activity that results in the loss, damage or disturbance of life, limb or property.

So playing with matches and a can of gasoline is not a crime... it would be a pre-crime. Burning a house down with the same gasoline and matches is a crime.

Driving 20 mph over the speed limit on your way to your destination is a pre-crime. Crashing your car is the crime.

I was going to use the example of driving around with a suitcase full of cash being a pre-crime and using that same suitcase full of cash to purchase drugs or guns to be the crime, but technically, buying drugs and guns isn't a crime (according to the above definition).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, lets determine what a "crime" is. A crime is an activity that results in the loss, damage or disturbance of life, limb or property.

So playing with matches and a can of gasoline is not a crime... it would be a pre-crime. Burning a house down with the same gasoline and matches is a crime.

Driving 20 mph over the speed limit on your way to your destination is a pre-crime. Crashing your car is the crime.

I was going to use the example of driving around with a suitcase full of cash being a pre-crime and using that same suitcase full of cash to purchase drugs or guns to be the crime, but technically, buying drugs and guns isn't a crime (according to the above definition).
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OK....thanks for clarifying your thinking on this....
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, lets determine what a "crime" is. A crime is an activity that results in the loss, damage or disturbance of life, limb or property.

So playing with matches and a can of gasoline is not a crime... it would be a pre-crime. Burning a house down with the same gasoline and matches is a crime.

Driving 20 mph over the speed limit on your way to your destination is a pre-crime. Crashing your car is the crime.

I was going to use the example of driving around with a suitcase full of cash being a pre-crime and using that same suitcase full of cash to purchase drugs or guns to be the crime, but technically, buying drugs and guns isn't a crime (according to the above definition).
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Is buying a bunch of gasoline and lighters with the intent to kill someone or burn someone's house down a crime or pre-crime?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, lets determine what a "crime" is. A crime is an activity that results in the loss, damage or disturbance of life, limb or property.

So playing with matches and a can of gasoline is not a crime... it would be a pre-crime. Burning a house down with the same gasoline and matches is a crime.

Driving 20 mph over the speed limit on your way to your destination is a pre-crime. Crashing your car is the crime.

I was going to use the example of driving around with a suitcase full of cash being a pre-crime and using that same suitcase full of cash to purchase drugs or guns to be the crime, but technically, buying drugs and guns isn't a crime (according to the above definition).
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Translation: I've redefined the true meaning of "crime" so that if fits within the fictional world I've created in my mind/read about on the internet.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Translation: I've redefined the true meaning of "crime" so that if fits within the fictional world I've created in my mind/read about on the internet.
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The foundation of English common law, The Code of Hammurabi(sp), and The Bill of Rights uses that very definiton of crime. To bad memebers of our contemporary prison industrial complex don't recognize this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The foundation of English common law, The Code of Hammurabi(sp), and The Bill of Rights uses that very definiton of crime. To bad memebers of our contemporary prison industrial complex don't recognize this.
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You had that one "cocked" and ready.......
 
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I guess it is the Christian in me and my "rais'n", but committing a crime is committing a crime whether you get caught by LE or now......That's just me.....
 
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