To Protect and to Serve II

#951
#951
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Principle far outweighs objectivity.
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I happen to be a man of principle as well. But I'm also pragmatic about things. I learned the serenity prayer a long time ago.

DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
So how does it work exactly? One person has their life ruined and another doesnt? Just happenstance? Because you met up with the wrong cop? Is that what happened to the ones who were wrongly killed by cops, like Kelly Thomas, and Eric Garner?
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Yes to all of the above. Attitude plays a good part of it (on both sides) as well as age and experience of the patrolman in question. As with most things that are judgmental, there are factors that cannot be foreseen nor predicted. You're going to meet *******s out there for certain. Other times, the patrolman knows it's not worth the hassle since the person was trying to do the right thing. (sleeping it off in the vehicle for example) Or having the person call a friend or a cab. And then you have those who start getting belligerent about the whole deal and ruin it for themselves.

The overwhelming point though is that cops do let things like this slide for a variety of different reasons. (and not just a nice rack either) Can I put a percentage on it? No, just like you can make the case "it always happens to non-cops."
 
#954
#954
Grand Vol said:
I happen to be a man of principle as well. But I'm also pragmatic about things. I learned the serenity prayer a long time ago.



Yes to all of the above. Attitude plays a good part of it (on both sides) as well as age and experience of the patrolman in question. As with most things that are judgmental, there are factors that cannot be foreseen nor predicted. You're going to meet *******s out there for certain. Other times, the patrolman knows it's not worth the hassle since the person was trying to do the right thing. (sleeping it off in the vehicle for example) Or having the person call a friend or a cab. And then you have those who start getting belligerent about the whole deal and ruin it for themselves.

The overwhelming point though is that cops do let things like this slide for a variety of different reasons. (and not just a nice rack either) Can I put a percentage on it? No, just like you can make the case "it always happens to non-cops."
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Ok GV.

You got my point, even if you choose to ignore it.
 
#955
#955
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Depends. Was anyone hurt? If not, I see no problem.

I don't have a problem with drinking and driving, my problem is with crashing. Because to me, unless persons or property is damaged, there is no crime.
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I use to work with a guy.... Drove drunk all the time.... His truck had multiple dents to prove it although he hadn't hit another person... He eventually hit someone head on killing them instantly.... I wish he had been stopped before that happened.
 
#956
#956
volbeast33 said:
I use to work with a guy.... Drove drunk all the time.... His truck had multiple dents to prove it although he hadn't hit another person... He eventually hit someone head on killing them instantly.... I wish he had been stopped before that happened.
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I wish for a lot of things. People have insurance for a reason. Driving is by far the most dangerous activity we do on a daily basis.
 
#959
#959
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I wish for a lot of things. People have insurance for a reason. Driving is by far the most dangerous activity we do on a daily basis.
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What kind of insurance is going to bring back a life.... . I am 100% for people being thrown in jail for driving under the influence
 
#962
#962
volbeast33 said:
What kind of insurance is going to bring back a life.... . I am 100% for people being thrown in jail for driving under the influence
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Sorry to break it to you, the only reason you're alive right now is the fact that you've not died. People die every day. Almost 35,000 people a year die on the roads.

Please explain how locking someone up, having them lose their job, home, and many other things of every day life helps anything?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Sorry to break it to you, the only reason you're alive right now is the fact that you've not died. People die every day. Almost 35,000 people a year die on the roads.

Please explain how locking someone up, having them lose their job, home, and many other things of every day life helps anything?
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There are more than 30,000 deaths a year by firearms.... Why do you care so much when it is by a cop?
 
#967
#967
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Is that a real question?
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Yeah seem to pick and choose whatever side you want to be on.... Just bc driving can be dangerous.... I don't want some idiot that knows the dangers of drunk driving getting behind the wheel putting my family at risk.
 
#968
#968
Grand Vol said:
I've done it. I'd guarantee the few other cops that actually post have said they've done it.

Weren't you just saying the other day that the individuals aren't that bad but the profession is what you dislike? Your buddy went into the force somewhat recently, do you feel he would bust someone "just because" as well?

I won't try to convince you if you're that dead set in your ways you can't be objective about it.
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Yep.
 
#970
#970
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Depends. Was anyone hurt? If not, I see no problem.

I don't have a problem with drinking and driving, my problem is with crashing. Because to me, unless persons or property is damaged, there is no crime.
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These people still can't seem to wrap their feeble minds around this oh so simple concept. How is it any different than arresting someone for a "pre-crime"?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Yeah seem to pick and choose whatever side you want to be on.... Just bc driving can be dangerous.... I don't want some idiot that knows the dangers of drunk driving getting behind the wheel putting my family at risk.
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Have you not payed attention while on the road? Your family is at risk every time they are on the road with perfectly sober drivers.

DUI laws in their current form are money and control grabs.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
These people still can't seem to wrap their feeble minds around this oh so simple concept. How is it any different than arresting someone for a "pre-crime"?
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's not. Matter of fact, that's exactly what it is, pre-crime. As hog said, it's a power and money grab.
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You two might be the biggest idiots I've ever seen post on Volnation, and that's an accomplishment.
 
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