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n_huffhines said:
I don't really get this position. What exactly are they repudiating about the GOP by voting for Trump? People say vague things like he's an outsider, but I see few ideological differences between him and the rest of the GOP.
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A big F-U to the mainstream GOP would have been massive support for Rand up front.

I could have gotten behind a Rand campaign even though I don't agree entirely with his stances.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A big F-U to the mainstream GOP would have been massive support for Rand up front.

I could have gotten behind a Rand campaign even though I don't agree entirely with his stances.
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Trump's policies aren't the reason people are flocking to him. It's his machismo.

Rand Paul doesn't have that. He's far too philosophical and reserved for this angry base.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't really get this position. What exactly are they repudiating about the GOP by voting for Trump? People say vague things like he's an outsider, but I see few ideological differences between him and the rest of the GOP.
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I don't think we can approach this cycle the way we typically would. It's a different dynamic altogether. This election is no longer about ideology and policy details (at least not primarily), it's about tearing down our ineffective and corrupt political duopoly. The same rules and reasoning do not apply.
 
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UTCVol said:
Trump's policies aren't the reason people are flocking to him. It's his machismo.

Rand Paul doesn't have that. He's far too philosophical and reserved intelligent for this angry base.
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Fixed for what I consider the reason. Rand doesn't have bad ideals, but nobody wants to hear about budgets when ISIS is in the news 24/7. Yeah, it's a big problem, but with the average voter having the attention span of a common housefly traveling from one pile of **** to the next, his ideals don;t resonate.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Fixed for what I consider the reason. Rand doesn't have bad ideals, but nobody wants to hear about budgets when ISIS is in the news 24/7. Yeah, it's a big problem, but with the average voter having the attention span of a common housefly traveling from one pile of **** to the next, his ideals don;t resonate.
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Maybe he needs to dumb it down and throw out buzzwords and fake tough talk like Cruz. People want to hear simple phrases like "audit the Fed" or "abolish the IRS", not an explanation of the inner workings of each organization and why they're bad.
 
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gcbvol said:
I don't think we can approach this cycle the way we typically would. It's a different dynamic altogether. This election is no longer about ideology and policy details (at least not primarily), it's about tearing down our ineffective and corrupt political duopoly. The same rules and reasoning do not apply.
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Agree. I posted some info last night about how much money each candidate has raised and from where/who.

Trump is at the absolute bottom and has taken less money from Wall St (the boogyman) than any other candidate including Bernie Sanders.

He's done something (run successful businesses) yet he comes across as an regular guy more than someone who's telling you what's best for you.

Lot's of dynamics at play here - right person at the right time.

The vibe is he's going to cut through the BS and get shizz done. May just be a vibe but it's working.
 
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UTCVol said:
Maybe he needs to dumb it down and throw out buzzwords and fake tough talk like Cruz. People want to hear simple phrases like "audit the Fed" or "abolish the IRS", not an explanation of the inner workings of each organization and why they're bad.
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He and Rubio need to get some executive experience and show they can govern, run a corporation or something where their decisions matter before they can be taken seriously.
 
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updated delegate count, you won't see this on TV today
Trump-316
Cruz-226
Rubio-106
Kasich-25
Carson-8

This thing is far from over
 
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UTCVol said:
Maybe he needs to dumb it down and throw out buzzwords and fake tough talk like Cruz. People want to hear simple phrases like "audit the Fed" or "abolish the IRS", not an explanation of the inner workings of each organization and why they're bad.
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Certainly worked against Ron Paul - trying to explain the monetary system at a debate simply doesn't work.

Rand's best moments were when he started phrases with "I reall don't think we ought to be..." (spying, invading, giving, regulating, etc).
 
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volinbham said:
Agree. I posted some info last night about how much money each candidate has raised and from where/who.

Trump is at the absolute bottom and has taken less money from Wall St (the boogyman) than any other candidate including Bernie Sanders.

He's done something (run successful businesses) yet he comes across as an regular guy more than someone who's telling you what's best for you.

Lot's of dynamics at play here - right person at the right time.

The vibe is he's going to cut through the BS and get shizz done. May just be a vibe but it's working.
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Excellent points. I'm interested to see how this escalation of GOP attacks on Trump is going to play out. My gut tells me it's going to backfire. I believe the perception among many will be they are attacking what they cannot control. It will serve to entrench him as the outsider the electorate clearly desires.
 
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volfanjustin said:
updated delegate count, you won't see this on TV today
Trump-316
Cruz-226
Rubio-106
Kasich-25
Carson-8

This thing is far from over
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True. However the going logic is that while Trump will likely do well in the upcoming states, Cruz won't and Rubio will. (Kasich may also but too little too late).

As a result, Trump's lead will be bigger and Cruz/Rubio tighten ensuring neither will drop out while each falls farther behind Trump.
 
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volinbham said:
Certainly worked against Ron Paul - trying to explain the monetary system at a debate simply doesn't work.

Rand's best moments were when he started phrases with "I reall don't think we ought to be..." (spying, invading, giving, regulating, etc).
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Yep, but then he would go off trying to get into depth and the moment would be lost.

I honestly think of the "outsider" candidates he was the most logical choice. But being a part of the Washington "machine" set him up to be lumped into the same group.
 
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volinbham said:
True. However the going logic is that while Trump will likely do well in the upcoming states, Cruz won't and Rubio will. (Kasich may also but too little too late).

As a result, Trump's lead will be bigger and Cruz/Rubio tighten ensuring neither will drop out while each falls farther behind Trump.
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perhaps, but I don't think he will have enough to win before the convention.
 
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gcbvol said:
Excellent points. I'm interested to see how this escalation of GOP attacks on Trump is going to play out. My gut tells me it's going to backfire. I believe the perception among many will be they are attacking what they cannot control. It will serve to entrench him as the outsider the electorate clearly desires.
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Yep. The role of conservative talk will be interesting too because they will in effect have to side with "establishment GOP" which they hate.

Gonna be a mess
 
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volinbham said:
True. However the going logic is that while Trump will likely do well in the upcoming states, Cruz won't and Rubio will. (Kasich may also but too little too late).

As a result, Trump's lead will be bigger and Cruz/Rubio tighten ensuring neither will drop out while each falls farther behind Trump.
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Exactly. Last night was the biggest opportunity night for Cruz. Allegedly. We'll see if it generates momentum, but with Kasich and Rubio still in the race it's questionable.
 
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A preview of ads that will be ran against Trump by the Dems in the fall.

[Youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=99&v=2JGJVJTwLYo[/YouTube]
 
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