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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Yea man is that why he is getting record turn out? 46% of Hispanics voted for him because they came here legally and don't want people who came here illegally to get a free pass. Drugs are a major problem in middle America
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48% of the 8% of the Latinos who are registered republicans. Nevada is 26% Latino.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't recall him saying it was; however, the better question is, how is Trump any better?
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I don't think he has the criminal tendencies and blatant disregard for the country that she does. And, she is all about Hillary. yeah I know, he is all about Trump, but at this point in time, she has no historical significance and wants it really really badly...
 
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volprof said:
You think Sanders' message is one of hate for the rich? I guess you could look at it that way. I tend to look at it more like a guy who is upset with the wealthy demanding they take a bigger role in giving back to a nation that has given them so much. That this message, however, may unintentionally encourage some of his followers to hate the wealthy is probably a given.

I suppose either candidate could whip some unscrupulous people into acts of violence against certain target groups in a delusional frenzied state, but it seems to me that there is more of a violence to Trump's rhetoric (although he never directly calls for violence against Muslims or illegals), which is probably not helped by the fact that he often encourages attendees at his events to beat up fellow attendees who are "stirring up trouble," in his opinion.
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It is as much a message of hate against the rich as Trump's is about illegal immigrants.

Sanders is peddling a story that you don't have what you should because these people have rigged the system against you. It's not your fault. You aren't doing it wrong. If we just make them pay their fair share your life will improve dramatically. It's fiction.

The rich are bad, evil, greedy and keeping you poor or barely making it.

Try substituting rich or corporation with illegal immigrants in a Sander's speech and you'll see what I mean.

It's okay to be prejudiced against the rich for some reason (to suggest that they are all as bad as the bad examples) but not to be prejudiced against illegal immigrants.

In the end, it's the same thing. Scapegoat a group different from who you are trying to appeal to and suggest you are going to fix it.
 
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volprof said:
The particulars of his comments and thinking, and the legitimacy of his perspective is a matter of concern. I just disagree with bham, however, that his is a message of hate and bigotry towards the wealthy. I don't doubt though that some of his followers take it that way.
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I don't think either Trump or Sanders has a message of hate was my point.

Trump is scapegoating illegal immigrants the same way Sanders is scapegoating the rich and corporations.

I don't think either hates or is preaching hate and bigotry.

To the extent that followers are motivated against these scapegoats I see no real difference between "hating" a group of people because of their income/wealth vs hating them because of their immigration status.
 
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Sanders - "the rich are screwing you and keeping you from having good paying jobs"
Trump - "illegal immigrants including visa overstays are screwing you as a tax payer and taking your jobs"

Why is one "hate" and the other not hate? The only difference is the object.
 
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volprof said:
You should watch the John Oliver piece on this issue. Pretty eye opening.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto[/youtube]
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What's eye opening about it? It seems he can easily state that it's a "right" to vote. But he doesn't say the obvious, it's an AMERICAN "right". I think it's pretty cut and dry regardless of those people claiming it's a tool to prevent blacks and Latinos from voting. Millions of illegal immigrants = proof of who you are via identification at polls. It shouldn't even be a question. If we had no illegal problem then yes Identification would be not needed, but obviously thats not the case.
 
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12,000,000 undocumented immigrants without proper identification potentially could vote without having to show an Id...majority of them would not be voting for a Republican conservative candidate who wants them possibly deported. It makes complete sense why liberal dems would not want I'd laws and claim it's "racism". I guess it's simple question, shouldnt only Americans be able to vote?
 
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sofflavol said:
12,000,000 undocumented immigrants without proper identification potentially could vote without having to show an Id...majority of them would not be voting for a Republican conservative candidate who wants them possibly deported. It makes complete sense why liberal dems would not want I'd laws and claim it's "racism". I guess it's simple question, shouldnt only Americans be able to vote?
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Oh no! It's better to let 11,999,999 illegals vote than to disenfranchise a single individual.
 
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theFallGuy said:
"Starting in 2017, the Social Security Administration expects that thousands of undocumented immigrants will begin collecting from the Old-Age, Survivor’s, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program as a direct result of the president’s actions.

Read more at: National Review Online
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So the answer is: they're not receiving benefits.

Thanks
 
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Democrat at work was complaining that Trumps wife was an immigrant........and how Trump is going to ban all immigrants.


Oh bless his befuddled democrat heart!
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Illegal aliens still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings - Washington Times
Plenty of examples on the net
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The weren't actually getting Medicare. It was the prescription drug portion they were receiving. Which was only through a loophole created by a Bush bill, which I also believe is now closed.

But even if you want to reference the few illegals who are illegally receiving benefits through a loophole, the taxes they put into the system are far more than what they're taking out and could actually solve our SS crisis
 
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sofflavol said:
12,000,000 undocumented immigrants without proper identification potentially could vote without having to show an Id...majority of them would not be voting for a Republican conservative candidate who wants them possibly deported. It makes complete sense why liberal dems would not want I'd laws and claim it's "racism". I guess it's simple question, shouldnt only Americans be able to vote?
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Lol what? How would they vote? You realize you have to register first, right?
 
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sofflavol said:
What's eye opening about it? It seems he can easily state that it's a "right" to vote. But he doesn't say the obvious, it's an AMERICAN "right". I think it's pretty cut and dry regardless of those people claiming it's a tool to prevent blacks and Latinos from voting. Millions of illegal immigrants = proof of who you are via identification at polls. It shouldn't even be a question. If we had no illegal problem then yes Identification would be not needed, but obviously thats not the case.
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Illegals aren't voting
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Democrat at work was complaining that Trumps wife was an immigrant........and how Trump is going to ban all immigrants.


Oh bless his befuddled democrat heart!
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Super liberal girl I went to school with posted on the voter I'd thing. We got into it and after discussion that went round and round in circles I asked her stance on the 2nd amendment. She was able to confidently say we should be required to show photo ID to buy a gun because that's "common sense" but to require an Id to vote for the commander and chief of the United states... That's racist. Needless to say she's like the majority of young clueless voters who are easily manipulated by news / social media.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Socialism vs fascism.

I'll take the third option (Johnson) democracy, freedom, and capitalism .
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Do you really believe that Johnson has a legitimate shot at winning? This is just from my distant view, but it seems like the only thing third party candidates accomplish is taking away votes from one of the 2 main parties (which ends up helping the other party).

I'll admit that I'm no political expert, but that's my opinion.
 
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Vol knight said:
Do you really believe that Johnson has a legitimate shot at winning? This is just from my distant view, but it seems like the only thing third party candidates accomplish is taking away votes from one of the 2 main parties (which ends up helping the other party).

I'll admit that I'm no political expert, but that's my opinion.
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If we get Hillary vs trump, I think you'll see a major surge for the 3rd party. And idk if he'll win, I highly doubt it. But I don't vote for candidates based on their popularity. I vote for candidates based on how their values align with mine. In this case, my vote will go to johnson. I'm not voting for the national socialist candidate nor the socialist
 
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