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Big Lots and Applebees.

I'm starting to see a pattern of poor decision making.
 
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1) The criticism of this law is ridiculous. This is precisely why conservatism is failing. When presented an opportunity to further enhance their (supposed) cause, they can't help themselves by ****ing it up with God's will and homophobia. The correct criticism rests in freedom of association. Any private establishment ought to have the freedom to associate in the way they please. This means having restrooms as they please. You know, that small government thing they claim to be about yet is the last thing out of their mouths on situations like this.

2) Given 1, freedom of association wouldn't apply to the public sphere (government buildings, public parks, etc.). If such seems to be the will of the people (it was passed as law), have one bathroom with stalls and be done with it. If you don't like it, don't frequent a public restroom. Same rule would also apply to private establishments in 1.

3) There are unseemly and vile people using restrooms with you, your friends, and your loved ones everyday. Hell, as UT fans, look no further than Crowder. It is ubiquitous. The only thing this law does is to bring to mind/reflective consciousness the thought of unsavory things in society which are already there, just out of sight and out of mind.

4) The argument of physical voyeurism in 2016 is so dumb. With technology allowing cameras to be ridiculously small, virtually undetectable without the proper counter technology, and very cheap, it would take a voyeur who was wanting to get caught to engage in physical voyeurism in a bathroom. Not to mention hacking into personal digital devices. Chances are that you or your loved ones have already fallen victim to voyeurism without knowing it.

5) Outside of the freedom to associate, I find it hard to fathom how anyone could take a serious interest into bathroom rules; on either side. Obviously, this would favor the status quo.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Big Lots and Applebees?
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It's where the sekshaul predators hang out.

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volbeast33 said:
Do you live in Austin? They don't have a law for gender neutral stalls regarding multiple stall units. They did create a law for gender neutral individual bathrooms which I don't think anyone perceived as a problem.
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You're thinking inside the box.

There are a ton of restaurants with gender neutral, multi-stall bathrooms. Most of them simply don't have urinals.

Sorry, but the major gripe I'm hearing in response to bathroom laws is "think of the children!"

It's a stupid argument.
 
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davethevol said:
Are they? Would you agree that they are mentally ill?
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People that defend the rape of children? Why are they analogous, in your mind, to a transgendered person? Do you have stats that say that transgendered people are more likely to rape children?


Or, and I am just spitballing here, are these fears that exist in your own mind?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You're thinking inside the box.

There are a ton of restaurants with gender neutral, multi-stall bathrooms. Most of them simply don't have urinals.

Sorry, but the major gripe I'm hearing in response to bathroom laws is "think of the children!"

It's a stupid argument.
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Im not as worried about the transgender community as I am about the perverts that will take advantage of the situation. It may not cause a huge spike in assaults but it does put people at risk.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
People that defend the rape of children? Why are they analogous, in your mind, to a transgendered person? Do you have stats that say that transgendered people are more likely to rape children?


Or, and I am just spitballing here, are these fears that exist in your own mind?
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I think that they are all mentally ill. What I'm getting at is why do people defend the actions of one mentally ill group and not the other? What is the cutoff?
 
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davethevol said:
I think that they are all mentally ill. What I'm getting at is why do people defend the actions of one mentally ill group and not the other? What is the cutoff?
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Perhaps, and again I'm spitballing, one group is not harming others?


BTW, not advocating for classifying the transgendered as mentally, just using your post as a jumping off point.
 
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davethevol said:
I think that they are all mentally ill. What I'm getting at is why do people defend the actions of one mentally ill group and not the other? What is the cutoff?
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There is a huge difference between choosing to be (or preprogrammed to be, I don't know or care) transgendered and raping children....................I still don't see how people can even remotely put them in the same category.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Were those examples of voyeurism a result of the gender neutral bathrooms or simply something that occurred in one? Be careful, your arguments here will be used against you in a gun thread.
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I don't see the two even remotely related Clearwater. Unless, of course, you're suggesting that somehow gender neutral bathrooms can help defend people when their lives are in danger.

TRM has already pointed out, and I agree, that this law just makes it easier for a male to get access. For you Dad's out there, ask yourself this question. If your teenage daughter went to the restroom, and you saw some guy dressed in makeup (or not) follow her in, would you have any concerns?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Im not as worried about the transgender community as I am about the perverts that will take advantage of the situation. It may not cause a huge spike in assaults but it does put people at risk.
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So are you equally worried about men who go into public men's restrooms and exposing themselves to young boys who are using the same restrooms? Are transgender individuals more inclined to expose themselves?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I don't see the two even remotely related Clearwater. Unless, of course, you're suggesting that somehow gender neutral bathrooms can help defend people when their lives are in danger.

TRM has already pointed out, and I agree, that this law just makes it easier for a male to get access. For you Dad's out there, ask yourself this question. If your teenage daughter went to the restroom, and you saw some guy dressed in makeup (or not) follow her in, would you have any concerns?
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Yes, but in this day and age, I would have an adult accompany my young child to a public restroom no matter what the laws were on bathroom usage. I just don't see how this law is going to create more sexual assaults in public restrooms and certainly don't see the need to call on God to burn the ****er to the ground.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Perhaps, and again I'm spitballing, one group is not harming others?


BTW, not advocating for classifying the transgendered as mentally, just using your post as a jumping off point.
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But if the "transgendered" groups are forcing public issues and basically flaunting their lifestyles that up until a few years ago were widely recognized as mental illness, are they not inflicting emotional distress on those that strongly disagree with what they are doing and want nothing to do with them? Is it really harmless?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Im not as worried about the transgender community as I am about the perverts that will take advantage of the situation. It may not cause a huge spike in assaults but it does put people at risk.
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How are they more at risk than they are currently? Can a man not dress like a woman and hide in a stall?

You guys act like there is some huge population of transgendered folks waiting for this event and it won't be unusual to see a shim in the bathroom.
 
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davethevol said:
But if the "transgendered" groups are forcing public issues and basically flaunting their lifestyles that up until a few years ago were widely recognized as mental illness, are they not inflicting emotional distress on those that strongly disagree with what they are doing and want nothing to do with them? Is it really harmless?
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WTF? So by granting them equal rights your rights to view them with disdain has been marginalized?:crazy:
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I don't see the two even remotely related Clearwater. Unless, of course, you're suggesting that somehow gender neutral bathrooms can help defend people when their lives are in danger.

TRM has already pointed out, and I agree, that this law just makes it easier for a male to get access. For you Dad's out there, ask yourself this question. If your teenage daughter went to the restroom, and you saw some guy dressed in makeup (or not) follow her in, would you have any concerns?
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The statistics and their value is closely related. For instance, I was talking about your examples of voyeurs being present in a gender neutral bathroom. Would the same issue have occurred in a regular bathroom? I

Of course, I am not going to say that I am so enlightened that I don't have thoughts, but that doesn't make them any more valid.
 
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