Apple refuses to unlock phone of terrorst.

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Right or wrong?

"Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook says his company will fight a federal magistrate's order to hack its users in connection with the investigation of the San Bernardino shootings, asserting that would undermine encryption by creating a backdoor that could potentially be used on other future devices.

Cook's ferocious response, posted early Wednesday on the company's website, came after an order from U.S. Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym that Apple Inc. help the Obama administration break into an encrypted iPhone belonging to one of the shooters in the December attack."

Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information | Daily Mail Online
 
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Or, reworded: apple refuses to make the government a tool to access every single iPhone which they would totally abuse the hell out of.

Sounds right to me.
 
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alexmanu said:
They should agree to do it. In my mind they are obstructing a criminal investigation.
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Not obstructing, but certainly not helping. If they do it, the government should only see the results, not how it was done by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't have any problem with them doing it on a certain level. Tough question really.
 
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This is tough because they have probable cause to unlock this phone and the info inside could be crucial.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Not obstructing, but certainly not helping. If they do it, the government should only see the results, not how it was done by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't have any problem with them doing it on a certain level. Tough question really.
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I don't think it's tough. Information on the phone could be crucial to working out who else was involved with the attacks and could help prevent future attacks. It may also lead to information that might establish a whole network of terrorists and shady associates. There is probable cause and Apple - in my mind - is obstructing legitimate FBI inquiries.
 
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alexmanu said:
I don't think it's tough. Information on the phone could be crucial to working out who else was involved with the attacks and could help prevent future attacks. It may also lead to information that might establish a whole network of terrorists and shady associates. There is probable cause and Apple - in my mind - is obstructing legitimate FBI inquiries.
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They are obstructing by not creating a new way to access the phone? They don't have a way to do it now.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This.
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I agree with people that worry about government abuse in this case. But there are ways in which you Apple could do this - on a case-by-case basis - and then transfer the data to the federal authorities without the authorities knowing what the method of data retrieval was. Tim Cook is just flat out saying "no" to any attempt.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Or, reworded: apple refuses to make the government a tool to access every single iPhone which they would totally abuse the hell out of.

Sounds right to me.
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Right and wrong.

Right in the way you stated above. There shouldn't be a catchall program or chip that allows access any time they feel the need. (Or get a court order from a closed door FISA judge)

Wrong because there is a way through this that both sides can win. Apple can unlock the phone in their labs and download the data with the FBI observing. They can keep their proprietary information, the FBI gets the data they need. Both sides win and the spirit of the court order is maintained.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Or, reworded: apple refuses to make the government a tool to access every single iPhone which they would totally abuse the hell out of.

Sounds right to me.
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This!

Maybe the government is going about it the wrong way.
 
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alexmanu said:
I agree with people that worry about government abuse in this case. But there are ways in which you Apple could do this - on a case-by-case basis - and then transfer the data to the federal authorities without the authorities knowing what the method of data retrieval was. Tim Cook is just flat out saying "no" to any attempt.
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I would be fine with Apple supplying data-only to a legally-obtained search warrant, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

A U.S. magistrate judge ordered Apple to help the FBI bypass the passcode
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I'm suspicious of the gov't motives these days, and it's their own fault. I don't want Apple showing the FBI, or anyone else, how to bypass my privacy.

If the gov't wants the data, they can ask Apple to get it and supply it. There's no need for them to be a part of the hack, and gain the ability to reverse-engineer the decryption of private citizens' information.

The irony is that the gov't keeps using the "if you don't allow us to do this, the terrorists will win..." argument when, in actuality, with the decrease in American liberties since 911, they already have won.
 
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