Freeze and Dabo negative religious recruit UT

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BruinVol said:
Agreed

So how can we judge him?

Using the NCAA rules issues against his faith is just plane ignorant IMO

If he is found involved with a RickyP type NCAA issue then that is one thing but some of these NCAA rules are just plain unhuman like my post about my coaching friend
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If he's breaking the rules by buying food for his starving players, that's one thing. If he's providing players, player's family's with cash, jobs, and cars as has been alleged that's quite another thing. Even if it's being done without his direct knowledge, I think it's naive to think he's blind to it, it's cheating. Cheating is basically lying.
 
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BruinVol said:
Agreed

So how can we judge him?

Using the NCAA rules issues against his faith is just plane ignorant IMO

If he is found involved with a RickyP type NCAA issue then that is one thing but some of these NCAA rules are just plain unhuman like my post about my coaching friend
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My feeling on Freeze is this, I don't know, but some things sure smack of manipulative self promotion to achieve an end. I really hope he is what he acts like he is, so damage is not done to peoples faith.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Swain this morning saying that all schools that recruit against Vols are using the Title Nine lawsuit story against us.
Saying that Hugh Freeze and Dabo Swinney, who heavily emphasize religion in their recruiting, will really jump on Vols about not having a Christian family values culture like Ole Miss and Clemson have.
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Well, you could have done worse. The first word could have been Adams or Travis. However, Swain has been following their leads for so long, he is doing less reporting and more speculating. However, just because Swain thinks they will do that does not mean they will. If a recruit says they did, that's different. And even if they do, Swain doesn't need to break his arm patting himself on the back.

And as to Ole Miss and Clemson having a "Christian family values culture" that takes more then having a coach who talks about Jesus. There's been lots of folks talk it when someone is listening, but sneak out late at night to cheat on their wives. Then, there are those who really live it. As to Freeze or Dabo, I will let them judge their own lives.
 
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Let's hope the NCAA puts the hammer down on Ole Miss and ends their ridiculous recruiting run. It has been bogus since Freeze arrived on the scene. How many infractions are on him? 11? And of course it is buried on page 112 on ESPN.
 
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I don't have a problem with Freeze or Dabo using their faith as part of their recruiting pitch. If they are Christians then it is their identity and will impact the way the live and the way they coach and do their jobs.

I will say that IMO propping yourself up by pushing others down is an ugly form of pride. Guilty of that one myself.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If he's breaking the rules by buying food for his starving players, that's one thing. If he's providing players, player's family's with cash, jobs, and cars as has been alleged that's quite another thing. Even if it's being done without his direct knowledge, I think it's naive to think he's blind to it, it's cheating. Cheating is basically lying.
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Well sure if he is paying players yet we have zero reports of that


Ole miss has a compliance department that tracks their players vehicles amongst other things. Something that is done outside the view of compliance and coaches then I dang sure am not going to say the coach is going to hell for being a false follower of Christ
 
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BruinVol said:
Well sure if he is paying players yet we have zero reports of that


Ole miss has a compliance department that tracks their players vehicles amongst other things. Something that is done outside the view of compliance and coaches then I dang sure am not going to say the coach is going to hell for being a false follower of Christ
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Tunsil was driving around cars that he shouldn't be able to acquire. Do you actually think Freeze didn't know what was going on? If so I would like to speak to you about some primo investment opportunities.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Wasn't trying to imply anything about you or men of the church in general. Just pointing out that it's insanely easy for people to qualify for tax ememption even if they're obviously just duping gullible people out of their hard earned money, so there's a pretty obvious incentive for charismatic people to do so.
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Yeah I know what you meant, no problem...A friend of mine told me one time.."If we had ten beautiful lampposts along our church walkway, and one was out, people driving by would not notice the beautiful working lights..all they would say is..Hey one of those lights are out."...its just human nature.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Tunsil was driving around cars that he shouldn't be able to acquire. Do you actually think Freeze didn't know what was going on? If so I would like to speak to you about some primo investment opportunities.
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And was punished very severely for it

How can we form an opinion on a coaches faith on a subject where the kid was punished very very firmly?
 
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BruinVol said:
And was punished very severely for it

How can we form an opinion on a coaches faith on a subject where the kid was punished very very firmly?
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I'm not forming an opinion on his faith. What I'm saying is I'm skeptical of any coach that pushes their Christianity but then behind closed doors questions others, i.e. negative recruiting against TN for not being "Christian" enough. What's the old saying? "When you're point your finger at someone else, you have three pointing back at you."

His maker will decide whether he's using Christ to further himself or whether he's truly trying to win people to Christ. Forgive me for being skeptical on where he falls.
 
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BruinVol said:
And was punished very severely for it

How can we form an opinion on a coaches faith on a subject where the kid was punished very very firmly?
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Oh, and I might add, Mo. Couch lost his senior year of eligibility over much less than what presumably Tunsil got. I would say Mo was severely punished.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I agree with this. I see this every day. All people are not perfect, including Christians. Non-Christians are just waiting on a Christian to make a mistake so they can call them a hypocrit.
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There's plenty of "Sunday" christians around.
 
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the universe is unimaginably fine tuned

initial distribution of mass energy in phase space

the value of the cosmic microwave background radiation

the incredibly small value of gravity

the fine tuned resonance of carbon

and on and on and on
 
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I don't have any trouble with a coach or a boss or a friend saying, "If you come here, you will see we try to live God's word." I do have a problem if someone says, "If you choose program x, you will find they are not faith-oriented." I'm not in a position to say that God favors me over another, and I believe it is risky business to do so. Coaches should only worry about the log in their own eye if they are serious about their faith.
 
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BruinVol said:
I dang sure am not going to say the coach is going to hell for being a false follower of Christ
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Mainly because there is no such thing as hell. It was a scare tactic to control people after they've grown up and are no longer a gullible kid with parents telling them what to do. It's called indoctrination. If money is the root of all evil, it's funny that churches have more of it than anyone. You'd think every single penny would be put back into the community but it's not. Why do you think popes used to be allowed to marry? There was never a rule against it originally. They added it so popes in the future wouldn't marry only to leave their wealth and prized gifts to their family when they pass. Now it goes back to the corrupt church that hides fleeing pedophiles.

Former priests have come out and how churches would blast the furnaces to make it nice and toasty as they scared people with their imaginary talks of hell. Anyone with a brain should come to the conclusion that if God is so loving and forgiving, burning someone for eternity would not only be the opposite of loving and forgiving but that God being almighty could have used his divine power to make them not awful people. I've also never figured out if God gave us free will to decide whether we go to heave/hell or if God has a plan for us all like so many religious followers like to spout. I guess God knowingly sent people to earth that were destined for hell. Nice God... would have been nicer if he didn't bring them in existence at all. Would have definitely been more compassionate than banishing them to hell for eternity.

Sucks for the people born into non-christian families and countries where christianity is practice by few. I guess a lot of muslims are going to hell by default for being born to the wrong family on the wrong side of the planet. Not that their actions and beliefs aren't hell worthy regardless of the fact they're not christian. If muslims truly follow their made up scripture, it leads them to killing non-believers. Christians on the other hand just threaten you. Isn't that what hell is? A threat.

If everyone was gullible enough to sit around waiting for the end of times and a prophet to appear, technology would be non-existent. Those same people would have had the mindset to burn people for being witches all because they produced technology they didn't understand. Sad that being dumb allows a cult.ure of people to blindly follow an imaginary entity with the threat of an imaginary hell as people are ripped off and used. Hell is nothing but a scare tactic to manipulate people. And if it's not, sounds like God is a pretty terrible whatever. Sending people to hell for eternity and smiting people. If that's the guy running heaven, maybe hell would be the better home. Would also explain why Lucifer wanted to put a stop to God killing people and torturing them permanently.

Dwindling In Unbelief: Who has killed more, Satan or God?
 
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StoVol said:
the universe is unimaginably fine tuned

initial distribution of mass energy in phase space

the value of the cosmic microwave background radiation

the incredibly small value of gravity

the fine tuned resonance of carbon

and on and on and on
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As an engineer, I tend to see the elegance of this as very non-random. Whispers "Creator", to those willing to listen.
 
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BruinVol said:
How many games?

Less than tunsil irrc
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No, he basically lost his whole senior year. He played in the two warmup games and was suspended for the OR game and never was allowed back. All over $1350 that he needed for his wife and baby. Meanwhile....
 
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StoVol said:
the universe is unimaginably fine tuned

initial distribution of mass energy in phase space

the value of the cosmic microwave background radiation

the incredibly small value of gravity

the fine tuned resonance of carbon

and on and on and on
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Open your garage door and turn off the car.
 
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The only religion that should matter to recruits is UT Football-ism.
In Vol We Trust!
 
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Hugh Freeze is the scummiest coach in college football, and his downfall will be hilarious to watch. If he's negatively recruiting, all I can do is laugh at anyone stupid enough to buy into his crap.
 
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