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UTProf said:
In his testimony, he said he gave her a ride home that night but that she never told him about a rape. That's what he told the Grand Jury and lying under oath is a crime so I'm fairly sure a whole lot of the speculation surrounding that night and Drae's actions and motives may well be just that - speculation.
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I didn't know that..I'm kind of confused, if Drae testified he had nothing to do with the rape allegation, and he says he wasn't beat down by teammates..then why was he mentioned last night, as part of this lawsuit? I guess I misunderstood something.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I didn't know that..I'm kind of confused, if Drae testified he had nothing to do with the rape allegation, and he says he wasn't beat down by teammates..then why was he mentioned last night, as part of this lawsuit? I guess I misunderstood something.
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Because they obviously have evidence that proves otherwise in their opinions. If you see a win for the plaintiff, or a settlement by UT, or conviction or plea with AJJ/Williams - you will know. If UT, you don't settle on something as onerous as sexual assault lawsuits unless there are good reasons to do so. If you settle you send a message nationally that women are in danger on your campus. That is not anything like a settlement over an employment rights issue.

Texts can be used as evidence in a civil trial much more easily. In a criminal trial there are more stringent limitations.

This is a big mess that just got messier.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I didn't know that..I'm kind of confused, if Drae testified he had nothing to do with the rape allegation, and he says he wasn't beat down by teammates..then why was he mentioned last night, as part of this lawsuit? I guess I misunderstood something.
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Not all of the articles included what Drae testified to. It's confusing because Jane Doe claims that Drae was assaulted in her suit but Drae denied this in court.
 To make it more confusing that was during the Grand Jury trial and this lawsuit is completely separate from whatever happens to AJ and Williams.
 
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Vols4us said:
Because they obviously have evidence that proves otherwise in their opinions. If you see a win for the plaintiff, or a settlement by UT, or conviction or plea with AJJ/Williams - you will know. If UT, you don't settle on something as onerous as sexual assault lawsuits unless there are good reasons to do so. If you settle you send a message nationally that women are in danger on your campus. That is not anything like a settlement over an employment rights issue.
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Not sure I agree that settling would be a bad thing. So many different parts of the law put extreme pressure on universities to comply in such situations and failing to cross one T or dot one eye might mean settling is better than being found guilty in court.


The list of procedural things to follow for universities is like reading the NCAA rule book
 
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Did Bowles already testify about this or just give an interview to KNS at the time? This lawsuit makes it appear like he just interviewed. I remember Him being mentioned at the time on here and being away from the team for a period. I kind of agree with Basillio this morning- settle this and be done with it. Otherwise the media is just going to drag more out and it puts Tennessee in a bad light no matter what. I want this buried in the news instead it's the front page ugh!!!!
 
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I don't see how anyone can have any kind of definitive opinion unless they are directly involved in the case. Yet, plenty seem to.

I'm mostly talking about that mess in the Bowles thread.
 
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LA Vol said:
Drae Bowles didn't just assist the alleged victim-- he insisted she file a complaint when she didn't want to and had no intention of doing so. His motivation was questioned by other players, since he wanted to date the girl himself.
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Wasn't he butt hurt she got drunk and shacked up with who she did at the time and supposedly talked her into calling authorities?
Then like you said, was confronted by teammates for doing it.
 
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VolsnCards5 said:
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I think that makes it mountain sized
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I don't see how. It all amounts to Orta running his mouth, Maggitt understandably confronting Drae (verbally) given he was a friend and roommate of AJ and the whole thing being addressed as quickly as you could ask for. No punches thrown. I remember back when it happened that whole mess was addressed at a practice that Monday.
 
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that we recruited out of Memphis...long time commit that was recruited over...I forgot his name...where did he land?
 
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BruinVol said:
Not sure I agree that settling would be a bad thing. So many different parts of the law put extreme pressure on universities to comply in such situations and failing to cross one T or dot one eye might mean settling is better than being found guilty in court.


The list of procedural things to follow for universities is like reading the NCAA rule book
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No doubt they may settle it because there are things that cannot be explained away. If they followed the law and their own published procedures to the letter they have the basis for clearing the assertion that they fostered the environment. That's where I would want it to go if UT is clean institutionally. However, discovery and depositions will determine which route they elect to go in the end. The civil case also exposes the plaintiffs to discovery and revelations of their flaws and actions. Not sure how far they really want to go with that, probably not very far. Which most likely leads us back to the money grab using the evidence they have to make it happen. Ugly stuff.
 
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WriterVol said:
I don't see how anyone can have any kind of definitive opinion unless they are directly involved in the case. Yet, plenty seem to.

I'm mostly talking about that mess in the Bowles thread.
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The only opinion I have is that as an attorney, I would never sign my name to that Complaint filed on behalf of the Plaintiffs. It's littered with speculation, and is very reckless. If some of that stuff ends up being proven to be false, that law firm and those attorneys could be in for a very bad day.
 
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