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volfanjustin said:
I don't recall ever saying anything bad about Rand, Ron yes but not Rand. I have kinda changed my mind on some things though
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Definitely on foreign policy if you are willing to stomach Rand. That was your biggest gripe about RP and they are basically the same on that topic.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Really? Why do you say that? I know him personally, and I think he cares about conservatism (tho he may not always act that way).
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Umm, heavy sarcasm intended with that post as Chaffetz is about as far from being a RINO as possible.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Umm, heavy sarcasm intended with that post as Chaffetz is about as far from being a RINO as possible.
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Rush Limbaugh Today.:

"It is the most insane thing I think I could have encountered today. And I'm wondering if whoever the establishment prefers in this -- everybody says it's Rubio. I'm gonna tell you something, folks. I'm a lone wolf on this, but I know everybody is assuming that Marco Rubio is the chosen establishment candidate and they're doing so on the basis that Rubio has experienced the Gang of Eight and amnesty and so forth, but Marco Rubio I really like. I like Ted Cruz. There are any number of people in this campaign, two or three people, if they win, I'd be happy.

But it doesn't matter because the establishment does have their candidate, and it looks like it is going to be Rubio. And, as such, Rubio is gonna end up becoming an enemy of several Republican -- or many perhaps potential Republican -- voters. I just remember the days that Marco Rubio was in the state of Florida, local politics, state politics, and then going national. He was considered, perhaps, one of the greatest potential heirs to Ronald Reagan, and now he's being derided as a sellout member of the establishment."

"Thirteen different polls had Trump winning by four. In the Real Clear Politics rolling average, Ted Cruz outperformed what Real Clear Politics polling averages said he would get by five points. Marco Rubio outperformed his Real Clear Politics average by six points. There was an exit poll question that was focused on quite a lot last night on television during the returns and the coverage, the aftermath. The exit question: "Shares my values?" Trump 5%. Now, again it's exit polling data, and we have evidence that many people play game, maybe even lie.fact, I'll give you an example. They had entrance polls last night for the Iowa caucus. And the first wave of entrance polls came in around six, 6:30. I was watching Fox News. And Fox News, I forget who it was, looking at the entrance poll said -- and the entrance polls indicated Trump was gonna win. It was a continuation of all the polling data in 13 polls that Trump was going to win, and the entrance poll said the same thing, and the people on Fox said, "Well, it looks like Trump's got this thing in the bag now! Who would lie in an entrance poll?"

I wish I could remember who said it. "Who would lie in an entrance poll? Makes no sense why anybody would." Well, obviously the entrance polls were not right, and the 13 polls preelection were not right, either. Exit poll question: "Shares my values." Trump at 5%, Cruz 38% "shares my values." Rubio 21% "shares my values." What is that a reference to, do you think? What is "shares my values"? (interruption) No, it's not religious voters. This is what everybody wants you to think. "Shares my values." This is a question of conservatism. "
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The trump supporters just want loud mouthed rhetoric. He hasn't said one thing of substance that he has a chance of accomplishing as POTUS. He just give sound bites that are all the same sounding.

Mexico (you can insert any country) is not our friend.

I'm going to build the best wall (insert any project). It'll be great. It really will. I've built some beautiful walls, but this will be really great. It'll make America great again.
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Actually he has said things of substance that he can pull off.

The common underlying theme is getting competent/highly qualified people in charge of the things he's most interested in (various trade deals, immigration actions, etc.).

On the surface it sounds like bombast but he is a very skilled executive and if you listen closely to what he's saying it's clear that he'll apply that to this position.

I think he could be highly effective at getting things done - I just don't know what it is he wants to get done.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually he has said things of substance that he can pull off.

The common underlying theme is getting competent/highly qualified people in charge of the things he's most interested in (various trade deals, immigration actions, etc.).

On the surface it sounds like bombast but he is a very skilled executive and if you listen closely to what he's saying it's clear that he'll apply that to this position.

I think he could be highly effective at getting things done - I just don't know what it is he wants to get done.
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Deporting all illegals?
Building the wall and getting Mexico to pay for it?


Running a company is different than running a country. He might use EOs more than any president in history.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Deporting all illegals?
Building the wall and getting Mexico to pay for it?


Running a company is different than running a country. He might use EOs more than any president in history.
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I doubt he really plans to deport all illegals. It's just a talking point.

I suspect he'll get the wall built - part of it is already legislated. How it gets paid for is another matter.

Yes running a company is different. So is being a Senator different than being POTUS.

However we've seen what lack of executive experience results in with the current resident of the WH.

As for the EO stuff; the current dude is quite proficient in his exercise of executive power and he had zero executive experience.

I guarantee Trump would be better at getting Congress to do things than Obama has ever been (low bar I know).

If Trump operated behind the scenes the way he does at campaign rallies he'd be living in a van down by the river. Don't confuse the game he's playing to win with his capabilities.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually he has said things of substance that he can pull off.

The common underlying theme is getting competent/highly qualified people in charge of the things he's most interested in (various trade deals, immigration actions, etc.).

On the surface it sounds like bombast but he is a very skilled executive and if you listen closely to what he's saying it's clear that he'll apply that to this position.

I think he could be highly effective at getting things done - I just don't know what it is he wants to get done.
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A few things but the most notable stuff is all a bunch of hyperbole. Build a wall immediately? "It will happen so fast it will be incredible!"

No discussion of surveying for it, dealing with the neighboring land owners and their concerns, the ordinance issues, State issues, County issues, environmental issues, lawsuits, etc., etc.

He could spend all his time on that one project and it would still take years to get it on track and done.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A few things but the most notable stuff is all a bunch of hyperbole. Build a wall immediately? "It will happen so fast it will be incredible!"

No discussion of surveying for it, dealing with the neighboring land owners and their concerns, the ordinance issues, State issues, County issues, environmental issues, lawsuits, etc., etc.

He could spend all his time on that one project and it would still take years to get it on track and done.
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You have to survey the land, buy the land from private citizens (in Trumps case use eminent domain to take it) by the land from the states, forgive out what type of fenced obstacle will be used, conduct to biding war for the contractors that will make the fencing, confess must then approve the contractor, then it must be reviewed by the department of Interior, the DOD must instruct the corps of Engineers to survey and begin the process etc. etc. there's just so many details.
 
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I'd bet some $$$ that the vast majority of landowners would be cool with a wall. But but but there is too much red tape to deal with, let's just let in 10-20 million more illegals and pay for their 0bamacare, SS, and Medicare. Weak

Just today in GA, illegals tried to push a bill to give instate tuition to illegals. That's insane
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I'd bet some $$$ that the vast majority of landowners would be cool with a wall. But but but there is too much red tape to deal with, let's just let in 10-20 million more illegals and pay for their 0bamacare, SS, and Medicare. Weak

Just today in GA, illegals tried to push a bill to give instate tuition to illegals. That's insane
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Kalifornia already does.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I'd bet some $$$ that the vast majority of landowners would be cool with a wall. But but but there is too much red tape to deal with, let's just let in 10-20 million more illegals and pay for their 0bamacare, SS, and Medicare. Weak
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1st of all there would never be a wall built in the 1st place, it would be a fence.

2nd it can be done but I wouldn't expect it to be built in a year. 2 years at the most.
 
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carlos86 said:
1st of all there would never be a wall built in the 1st place, it would be a fence.

2nd it can be done but I wouldn't expect it to be built in a year. 2 years at the most.
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Trump said it would be pre cast concrete. Just like the Israelis wall which has been a big success
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Trump said it would be pre cast concrete. Just like the Israels wall which has been a big success
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That alone tells me Trump doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. 95% of the Israeli wall is multi-layered fencing. Three fences, pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire on the two outer fences, a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle, an anti-vehicle ditch, patrol roads on both sides, and a smooth strip of sand for intrusion tracking. The only parts of the wall that are concrete are the border crossings. The parts that are concrete are what we in the U.S. call Bremer walls or T-walls that are 12 feet high.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I'd bet some $$$ that the vast majority of landowners would be cool with a wall. But but but there is too much red tape to deal with, let's just let in 10-20 million more illegals and pay for their 0bamacare, SS, and Medicare. Weak

Just today in GA, illegals tried to push a bill to give instate tuition to illegals. That's insane
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Illegals literally get none of the things you just mentioned, but we all know facts aren't important to a trump supporter
 
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