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Obsessed said:
Personal responsibility isn't in their vocabulary.
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Who in here thinks that any form of contraception is 100%?

Assuming that nobody believes this...

Suppose the following fact pattern, a woman has the implanted long term birth control, an IUD, uses a sponge (to channel the inner Seinfeld) and makes the man wear a jimmy hat. She engages in sex and still ends up pregnant, should abortion be an option?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Not really man I like someone who successful. Someone who's proven themselves. I can't really think of any accomplishments Rubio has. Plus I'm a cradle Catholic and Rubio is a cradle Catholic. Rubio has gone from Catholicism to Mormonism to Southern Baptist back to Catholicism. What happened there? That's weird
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Already posted, but here's a synopsis.

Sen. Marco Rubio's religious journey: Catholic to Mormon to Catholic to Baptist and Catholic – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

At 8 years old, his family switched religions to the Mormon Church.

At 11 years old, they went back to Catholicism

He goes to a Baptist Church with his wife, but is not a practicing Baptist. But regularly attends a Catholic Church.

So if you want to hold his parents decisions to religion shop over his head, feel free. It just weakens your point in the matter.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Just curious since you said Trump's light would be fading.

You think he won't fall far enough to have someone else surpass him?
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We'll know after SC. If Trump cruises to a wins in NH and SC he might be unbeatable.
 
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Obsessed said:
Getting pregnant when one does to want yo be pregnant is not responsible.

You keep overlooking that part counselor.
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Go back and read my posts. I have addressed it SEVERAL times. You continue to ignore. Oh, to hell with it,

Who in here thinks that any form of contraception is 100%?

Assuming that nobody believes this...

Suppose the following fact pattern, a woman has the implanted long term birth control, an IUD, uses a sponge (to channel the inner Seinfeld) and makes the man wear a jimmy hat. She engages in sex and still ends up pregnant, should abortion be an option?
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hog88 said:
And your point? I just want to save lives from unnecessary risks. If reversing the costs between abortion and adoption saves just one young woman's life, isn't it worth it?
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My point is that childbirth is risky, as well. And what gives you the right force a woman to take on that risk?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Go back and read my posts. I have addressed it SEVERAL times. You continue to ignore. Oh, to hell with it,
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Calm down


How often has this happened? What are the odds of it happening?

I would think that maybe, even after all these attempts to not get pregnant and still get pregnant, she should probably have it. It's obviously Jesus coming back.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Getting an abortion for a child you cannot afford isn't being responsible?
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Sure it is and I applaud it. If there is a God, they will have to explain their actions, and that is their problem. But they should also be forced to either pay for it or work it off. A procedure of that magnitude should not be at taxpayers' expense. Oh, but I guess that isn't fair now is it? Their responsibility only extends to themselves and not to those that provide their 'care'.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
My point is that childbirth is risky, as well. And what gives you the right force a woman to take on that risk?
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I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I think it's sicking that to adopt a child in this country you will be out 10s of thousands of dollars but to abort you are out a few hundred. But hey, the lawyers gotta get paid, right?
 
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carlos86 said:
We want know until March Super Tuesday. That's when we find out who can run a national campaign and who can't.
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Donations will start to dry up for those that do poorly in NH and SC. Several will be out before super Tuesday.
 
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Obsessed said:
Calm down


How often has this happened? What are the odds of it happening?

I would think that maybe, even after all these attempts to not get pregnant and still get pregnant, she should probably have it. It's obviously Jesus coming back.
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I assume your kidding with the last statement, but the assertion that pregnancy can be completely avoided by sexually active women without undergoing a complete hysterectomy is rubbish. To assert, that all women seeking an abortion are doing so to avoid responsibility is equally inaccurate. Legislating the reproductive rights of women is something that the government should stay out of.

I understand moral arguments against abortion and that is where personal responsibility comes into play. If you feel strongly against abortion then offer alternatives and try to convince women considering an abortion to choose one of those alternatives, but it is not your (or anyone else's) right to force a woman to undergo 9 months of pregnancy and force her to undergo childbirth because of your moral or religious objections.
 
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hog88 said:
We'll know after SC. If Trump cruises to a wins in NH and SC he might be unbeatable.
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With the projected numbers, he really isn't cruising to much right now. Yeah, he's got a good lead, but it's not like there isn't some stiff competition.

I agree with Carlos, once Super Tuesday comes around, we'll know who can run at a national level. But hopefully Iowa and New Hampshire thin the herd some.
 
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Grand Vol said:
With the projected numbers, he really isn't cruising to much right now. Yeah, he's got a good lead, but it's not like there isn't some stiff competition.

I agree with Carlos, once Super Tuesday comes around, we'll know who can run at a national level. But hopefully Iowa and New Hampshire thin the herd some.
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I'm coming to the conclusion that IA is not longer an indicator. The first big tests are NH and SC.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I assume your kidding with the last statement, but the assertion that pregnancy can be completely avoided by sexually active women without undergoing a complete hysterectomy is rubbish. To assert, that all women seeking an abortion are doing so to avoid responsibility is equally inaccurate. Legislating the reproductive rights of women is something that the government should stay out of.

I understand moral arguments against abortion and that is where personal responsibility comes into play. If you feel strongly against abortion then offer alternatives and try to convince women considering an abortion to choose one of those alternatives, but it is not your (or anyone else's) right to force a woman to undergo 9 months of pregnancy and force her to undergo childbirth because of your moral or religious objections.
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I think hog offered up a pretty good one. Why not make the gubbamint subsidize the cost of adoptions? You cannot make abortions more expensive because the gutter trash that uses them for birth control would never be able to afford them anyway, but by offering up adoptions that pay, there is a potential income stream. And your assertion that a woman is being 'forced' to undergo pregnancy is ridiculous melodrama.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I think it's sicking that to adopt a child in this country you will be out 10s of thousands of dollars but to abort you are out a few hundred. But hey, the lawyers gotta get paid, right?
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I wouldn't be so quick to blame lawyers. People have created a marketplace where the reproductive rights of women are up for sale to the highest bidder. In many of these situations there is no lawyer involved as there is not an enforceable contract that can protect the parties and hold up in court. In other words, the woman can always back out of the deal and there is nothing that the adopting family can do about it.

Most lawyers I know that work in the adoption arena do so for very little money and do so because of a personal desire to make the world better by getting kids with good families. Most of these attorneys also do pro bono work representing the rights of children in the system.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I wouldn't be so quick to blame lawyers. People have created a marketplace where the reproductive rights of women are up for sale to the highest bidder. In many of these situations there is no lawyer involved as there is not an enforceable contract that can protect the parties and hold up in court. In other words, the woman can always back out of the deal and there is nothing that the adopting family can do about it.

Most lawyers I know that work in the adoption arena do so for very little money and do so because of a personal desire to make the world better by getting kids with good families. Most of these attorneys also do pro bono work representing the rights of children in the system.
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We looked into adoption about 15 years ago, to adopt an under 2 yo American kid we would have been out a little over 15K, majority of that would have been legal fees. We decided against, friends of ours got so frustrated with the process (again lawyers mucking up the system) they went to Russia to adopt. We have thousands of kids in the system that would probably love good homes instead of foster care and state homes but good people are discouraged due to cost and hassle.

Don't give me bull**** about the legal profession and it's impact on adoption costs.
 
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