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Hamid meant well, coming with a constructive outlook. “I have this sincere belief that if people get to know each other one-on-one that they’ll stop being afraid of each other and we’ll be able to get rid of all of this hate in the world…” she recalled. “So that was really my goal to let people see that Muslims are not that scary.”

Unfortunately, a placid 56-year-old woman was indeed too scary for Trump’s supporters, who started chanting his name as a signal to police. As officers escorted Hamid and three other silent protestors from the venue, many nearby attendees jeered her exit. Someone asked if she had brought a bomb. Another man temporarily blocked her way with a Trump sign, repeatedly making the “thumbs-down” motion with his hand.
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A Muslim woman’s reaction to being ejected from a Trump rally can teach us a lot | Rare
 
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Grand Vol said:
You could say the same thing about any of the candidates. To include Rand.
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Nope. Rand is an actual statesman with unique ideas about small government. He is the anti Trump.

There is a reason so many here were scoring Rand on the candidate test (but not supporting him IRL - uninformed).
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nope. Rand is an actual statesman with unique ideas about small government. He is the anti Trump.

There is a reason so many here were scoring Rand on the candidate test (but not supporting him IRL - uninformed).
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Rand is a politician with grand ideas and aspirations. But truth be told, he's still a politician. Look, I like what he wants to do, but whether he can is an entirely different matter. And he loses me when it comes to the military. Somewhat on foreign policy as well, though he's not really spoken at great lengths about that.

If you look at it objectively, he and Trump really aren't that different in regards to upsetting the apple cart of the entrenched dogmatic GOP. They both have gone against the establishment and come off better for it. Ideal wise, they are as opposite as day and night, but both have put the national level GOP on its heels which is why I continue to think Rand deserves a place in the debates rather than Kasich, Carson, Fiorina and Jeb. The libertarian leaning side of the GOP wants him there and that's a base that has to be courted in the coming months.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nope. Rand is an actual statesman with unique ideas about small government. He is the anti Trump.

There is a reason so many here were scoring Rand on the candidate test (but not supporting him IRL - uninformed).
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Rand is not a statesman. WTF has he ever done to make you think that? One day he may be but not today and not until he gets some executive experience.
 
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Rand has great ideas all around. Small government. Don't spend it if you don't have it. Stop arming the middle East. Leave our citizens alone. Etc. It's a big part of why I like him.

He is not a good salesman. Terrible at it actually. And no matter how good of ideas you may have, you still have to sell yourself. He's doing a terrible job at it and Trump is doing a good job at selling himself.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I still can't believe any informed person would vote Trump.
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Lets discuss people with an actual shot of winning not the guys with less than 1% polling numbers. Who would an informed voter choose, Hillary give me a break, Sanders is nearing death day by day, Bush has been outed as weak (which may be an attribute based on the current president), Cruz the king of gridlock? Rubio is left possibly. Don't know, maybe there is no one else.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Lets discuss people with an actual shot of winning not the guys with less than 1% polling numbers. Who would an informed voter choose, Hillary give me a break, Sanders is nearing death day by day, Bush has been outed as weak (which may be an attribute based on the current president), Cruz the king of gridlock? Rubio is left possibly. Don't know, maybe there is no one else.
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Or Trump whose policy, besides not allowing Muslims in and building a wall that Mexico will pay for, is don't worry I am smart and everything I do is huuuuuuge.
 
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Rand is not a statesman. WTF has he ever done to make you think that? One day he may be but not today and not until he gets some executive experience.
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What does being an executive have to with it? Dude is a white republican who went to Howard and earned respect from a crowd that hated him for his opinions on the CRA. That's a statesmen.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Lets discuss people with an actual shot of winning not the guys with less than 1% polling numbers. Who would an informed voter choose, Hillary give me a break, Sanders is nearing death day by day, Bush has been outed as weak (which may be an attribute based on the current president), Cruz the king of gridlock? Rubio is left possibly. Don't know, maybe there is no one else.
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Uhhh, I wasn't discussing Rand. I was discussing the POS frontrunner.
 
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What does being an executive have to with it? Dude is a white republican who went to Howard and earned respect from a crowd that hated him for his opinions on the CRA. That's a statesmen.
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A statesman must be capable of building a following and accomplishing his goals. That requires salesmanship, Rand isn't a statesman. He's a first term Senator of little accomplishment.
 
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Vol8188 said:
They let us vote, but the media just ensures we will get the same candidate either way.

I can't name a single difference between Trump, Hillary, and Rubio on foreign policy.
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Trump policy: Its going to be the best thing ever, awesome in fact.

Hillary policy: what do you want her to say her policy will be and she will say it

Rubio policy: Rubio is still in the race?
 
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New Poll Numbers for the New Hampshire Primary from Public Policy Polling (Which is considered by most as left leaning)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/

  • Our NH poll- Trump 29, Rubio 15, Christie/Kasich 11, Bush/Cruz 10, Carson/Fiorina 4, Paul 3, Huckabee/Santorum 1

  • Rubio comes closest to Clinton in NH head to head - 45/42

    Bush trails her 46/40

    Cruz 48/40

    Carson 50/39

    Trump worst at 50/36



  • Sanders 54, Trump 34 head to head in the battleground state of New Hampshire.

  • Cruz voters in NH (50/24) say they strongly support the Oregon protesters, other candidates' voters oppose them (Cruz has express opposition to them:

  • In head to head match ups: Trump actually trails Rubio 52/40, Cruz 46/39 h2h in NH. But establishment split gives him 14 pt lead full field:
  • "Rubio, Christie, Kasich and Bush - are dividing up 44 percent of the total vote in New Hampshire,
 
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hog88 said:
A statesman must be capable of building a following and accomplishing his goals. That requires salesmanship, Rand isn't a statesman. He's a first term Senator of little accomplishment.
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Wait, i thought you said a statesman was somebody with executive experience?

Statesmenship is not about popularity. It's about skill (like when he tricked Rubio into missing a vote, according to his haters here), respect (his record is spotless; returns unused funds, etc.), and diplomacy...not salesmanship. The one thing he lacks is experience.
 
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Wait, i thought you said a statesman was somebody with executive experience?

Statesmenship is not about popularity. It's about skill (like when he tricked Rubio into missing a vote, according to his haters here), respect (his record is spotless; returns unused funds, etc.), and diplomacy...not salesmanship. The one thing he lacks is experience.
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Never said that, I said Rand isn't a statesman and needs to get executive experience, two separate topics.

He isn't a statesman because he gets little to nothing done since he can't sell his ideas.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Wait, i thought you said a statesman was somebody with executive experience?

Statesmenship is not about popularity. It's about skill (like when he tricked Rubio into missing a vote, according to his haters here), respect (his record is spotless; returns unused funds, etc.), and diplomacy...not salesmanship. The one thing he lacks is experience.
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If Rand Paul had done that in 1858 he would have been beat nearly to death on the floor of the senate. That's a poltical procedural no go and if he wins re-election to the senate it won't be forgotten.
 

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hog88 said:
Never said that, I said Rand isn't a statesman and needs to get executive experience, two separate topics.

He isn't a statesman because he gets little to nothing done since he can't sell his ideas.
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That's not what makes a statesman. His ideas don't sell because Republicans don't like small government. It has nothing to do with his skill as a diplomat. You can have unpopular ideas and still be a statesman.
 
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Flipping through channels.

1984 democratic debate is on cspan3

Face the nation has rand on it with several others. May watch it instead
 
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