Final Republican Debate - CNN @8:30 Tonight

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volinbham said:
So you are mixing a couple things here - many of the NSA programs were massive data grabs; not targeted data grabs. So if you trip some probable cause indicators that's different than blanket surveillance. Your example above suggests you are okay with some people losing their rights but much of the programs are across the board.

This freedom vs security argument is a false choice.
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I guess it is a slippery slope to a degree. But. I do not see the alternative. I would love to hear an option. We know the demographic of the jihadis. Some like to call it profiling, or stereotyping. Those are PC words for common sense. I would love to talk more about this, but I feel I am in a sensitive position and I should not. I am gonna leave it at that.

Wake up America.:clapping:
 
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carlos86 said:
I'd take Romney over Trump again anytime. He actually know what the hell he was talking about. He didn't go around telling people how rich he was or try to be the biggest douchebag on the debate stage. He actually made a case for Conservatism while Trump makes a case for his ego.
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I am not necessarily for Trump. I am against another establishment go along, get along, candidate. A proven recipe for losing.
 
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carlos86 said:
Hillary beats Trump 57%-43%. His nomination and General election loss will set back the cause of Conservatism at least a generation.
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Well. If that happens and HRC wins the presidency and the democrats somehow take back congress, this nation will need more than a generation to recover.
 
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ETV said:
Well. If that happens and HRC wins the presidency and the democrats somehow take back congress, this nation will need more than a generation to recover.
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It would never recover. It would be destroyed as we know it. Better cash in your 401k before they steal it for your own good. "You don't need that."
 
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ETV said:
Well. If that happens and HRC wins the presidency and the democrats somehow take back congress, this nation will need more than a generation to recover.
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If that happens, the GOP as we know it will implode.

There's no chance Republicans lose the House, though.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
I am not necessarily for Trump. I am against another establishment go along, get along, candidate. A proven recipe for losing.
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Actually, if a go along, get along candidate was nominated and the party supported them they could beat (easily) Clinton.

The problem is the party base wouldn't support them.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually, if a go along, get along candidate was nominated and the party supported them they could beat (easily) Clinton.

The problem is the party base wouldn't support them.
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Well said.

The GOP primary voters need to look at the big picture and nominate a candidate that can be Hillary.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
I am not necessarily for Trump. I am against another establishment go along, get along, candidate. A proven recipe for losing.
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I'm not for a go along to get along candidate either. But I know a person like Trump can't win. 2016 could have been the election of 1960 in reverse. Instead it will be 1992.
 
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NEOCON said:
I remember before Trump joined there being a thread on here about how he would do and all the Politicos on here said he would get crushed, couldn't debate, would have his lunch taken...and I stated he would run away with the thing and pretty much destroy the competition.

I was laughed at...

And yet...here we are with him pretty much destroying the competition.

Cruz or someone else may catch up in the end but so far my assumptions were correct.
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He's not destroying anyone, he could take a dump on stage and his supporters are going to cheer.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually, if a go along, get along candidate was nominated and the party supported them they could beat (easily) Clinton.

The problem is the party base wouldn't support them.
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Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a realistic path to the White House for the GOP. It looks like in order to get the nomination, they'll have to get the support of the radical conservatives; in order to do that, they'll have to have a platform that necessarily excludes the center that's needed to win the presidency.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually, if a go along, get along candidate was nominated and the party supported them they could beat (easily) Clinton.

The problem is the party base wouldn't support them.

The party has to nominate someone the base supports or the general doesn't matter.
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NEOCON said:
I remember before Trump joined there being a thread on here about how he would do and all the Politicos on here said he would get crushed, couldn't debate, would have his lunch taken...and I stated he would run away with the thing and pretty much destroy the competition.

I was laughed at...

And yet...here we are with him pretty much destroying the competition.

Cruz or someone else may catch up in the end but so far my assumptions were correct.
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Most, including myself, were wrong about his odds, but we were right about one thing you mentioned: he can't debate worth a lick. He may be the worst debater I've ever seen publicly. That enough Americans are currently convinced by him does not change this fact.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually, if a go along, get along candidate was nominated and the party supported them they could beat (easily) Clinton.

The problem is the party base wouldn't support them.
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Only if the go along, get along candidate can debate Hillary effectively and also enthuse the GOP and independent voters. Would you consider Romney or McCain as go along, get along candidates?
 
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Serene said:
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a realistic path to the White House for the GOP. It looks like I n order to get the nomination, they'll have to get the support of the radical conservatives; in order to do that, they'll have to have a platform that necessarily excludes the center that's needed to win the presidency.
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That's why I say it has to be Rubio or Christie. Rubio is pretty conservative but he still has the establishment in his corner. Christie has a great demeanor for a Republican president and he hasn't really fallen into the Trump trap like Jeb and Kasich.

Cruz may be able to do it, but he's going to have to pivot himself masterfully to draw moderates and independents while still holding the far right. Not sure it can happen.
 
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Serene said:
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a realistic path to the White House for the GOP. It looks like I n order to get the nomination, they'll have to get the support of the radical conservatives; in order to do that, they'll have to have a platform that necessarily excludes the center that's needed to win the presidency.
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That problem isn't new or exclusive to the GOP.

The bigger problem with the GOP is shifting demographics and turnout for presidential elections.
 
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volinbham said:
Actually, if a go along, get along candidate was nominated and the party supported them they could beat (easily) Clinton.

The problem is the party base wouldn't support them.
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If only the rest of the country felt about Kasich the way we do, bham. I think it's just you and me in that 2 percent he's polling at.
 
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carlos86 said:
Rubio has a chance to win Independents and Hispanics. He can turn Blue states like Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Ohio, and Colorado red.
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A Republican candidate that can win the states you mentioned would be elected POTUS
 
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Funny that people talk about Trup's hair being fake, but geez, the entirety of Anderson Cooper looks like some kind of plastic.
 
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UTCVol said:
That's why I say it has to be Rubio or Christie. Rubio is pretty conservative but he still has the establishment in his corner. Christie has a great demeanor for a Republican president and he hasn't really fallen into the Trump trap like Jeb and Kasich.

Cruz may be able to do it, but he's going to have to pivot himself masterfully to draw moderates and independents while still holding the far right. Not sure it can happen.
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Cruz is so unlikeable that even when he comes of as sincere and caring people still dislike him. That's not a winning formula to the White House.
 
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