Dave Hart Appreciation Thread

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GLDunlap said:
Nothing listed there that anyone with a brain couldn't have done. ESPN made our Athletic department profitable again with our $31.2m share of their $436.8m SEC distribution. ESPN owns us and every other power 5 school.
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Agreed.

Getting out from under coaching buyouts and the transfers from the AD to the school's general fund for 3 years aren't exactly something Hart should be applauded for either.
 
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CornDontGrow said:
I love how people can seem to blame Butch for all the bad things this season but always fail to mention the good. They also have a great way of twisting facts to fit their agenda.

Dooley would never have put us in a position to have a 4th quarter lead to lose. Butch has shown he can put the team in position to win. While there were times where the play calling was conservative, I can also think of a big handful of times where the players didn't execute the play.

If we're gonna be assigning blame, let's at least also blame our football coach for putting this program back on the right track, And also for giving his all when some other coaches didn't even want to touch the job. I think that says a lot more about the man then wins or losses, probably part of the reason why the players and staff have bought in so hard.

Think about this... The guy we wanted 2 hires ago bailed on us after 1 season and didn't want to be here. You can't always get what you want, but even when you do it still winds up biting you in the butt sometimes.

I'd rather have a guy with character as our head coach, who also happens to have given us our best season in 8 years... Seems like he's doing a damn fine job all things considered.
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Where in the first two pages of this thread about AD Hart did anyone bash CBJ? It amazes me how some of you want to constantly throw this dribble out in a thread when it isn't relevant.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
He was the tip of the spear in nearly bringing Charlie Strong to Knoxville and did hire Donnie Tyndall.
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And to offset those, he hired Butch Jones who's turning our cash cow program around, hired a hall of fame men's basketball coach, hired a Lady Vols basketball coach who's won about 80% of her games, and has gotten the Athletic Dept firmly back on the road to fiscal responsibility.....just to mention a few things.

But hey, he played basketball at the University of Alabama in the 60s so he sucks and has gotta go.
 
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KBVol said:
And to offset those, he hired Butch Jones who's turning our cash cow program around, hired a hall of fame men's basketball coach, hired a Lady Vols basketball coach who's won about 80% of her games, and has gotten the Athletic Dept firmly back on the road to fiscal responsibility.....just to mention a few things.

But hey, he played basketball at the University of Alabama in the 60s so he sucks and has gotta go.
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Comparing Strong at Texas and what he would have done here is apples to oranges.
 
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VolnJC said:
I know the bowls are supposed to be equal but the Vols have gone to warm weather bowls the last two years over teams with better records

He has also moved us from Adidas to Nike
Closed the deal for the Battle at Bristol
Made the athletic department profitable again
Hired a hall of fame coach for mens basketball

All in all I think we have the right guy leading the department
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He needs to handle the lady vols dumpster fire asap.
 
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KBVol said:
And to offset those, he hired Butch Jones who's turning our cash cow program around, hired a hall of fame men's basketball coach, hired a Lady Vols basketball coach who's won about 80% of her games, and has gotten the Athletic Dept firmly back on the road to fiscal responsibility.....just to mention a few things.

But hey, he played basketball at the University of Alabama in the 60s so he sucks and has gotta go.
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Sorry I ruffled your feathers Pam.

If you want to applaud the man for falling a^^ backwards into the Jones hire and batting .500 on basketball hires, be my guest.

It wouldn't hurt to do a little research on the Nike deal and his financial "wizardry" that he is being lauded for here as well.

They took a substantial pay cut to switch to Nike and got a 10 million a year boost in TV payouts which substantially helped the bottom line.

If we're going to talk money though, how about the settlements in the discrimination suits that has been paid out under his watch?
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Actually the Nike deal is a $$$ LOSS for UT.

Read the fine print folks.

Nike pays LESS $$$ to UT than Adidas did.

Nike also pays LESS $$$ for our own UT uniforms than Adidas did.

The only way the Nike deal could become a better deal for UT is IF it helps recruit better players for all sports and IF our fans buys lots more UT stuff from Nike.

It's a maybe for me if AD Hart should stay but I think it should be a year to year deal until we see much more positive results.

Cheek is another subject.

Just my useless opinion.

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Good points.


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JMSqb11 said:
Comparing Strong at Texas and what he would have done here is apples to oranges.
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Agreed, no way to know. Instead, what we do know is that Hart actually brought in Jones who has done an excellent job turning the program around.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Sorry I ruffled your feathers Pam.

If you want to applaud the man for falling a^^ backwards into the Jones hire and batting .500 on basketball hires, be my guest.

It wouldn't hurt to do a little research on the Nike deal and his financial "wizardry" that he is being lauded for here as well.

They took a substantial pay cut to switch to Nike and got a 10 million a year boost in TV payouts which substantially helped the bottom line.

If we're going to talk money though, how about the settlements in the discrimination suits that has been paid out under his watch?
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Who the eff is Pam?

Hey, you wanna stick your head in the sand with the general direction that the Athletic Department is headed, as you would say, be my guest. So the Nike deal and discrimination suits are sinking the program? Haha. Sure. Stick with that.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Omg. I was tying so hard to find sarcasm in the post thinking I'd get a good laugh...unfortunately I think op is dead serious. Wow. Hart hired one of the worst sidelines managing coaches we've ever had at ut. Then gave him a raise and extension both of the last 2 seasons when no other program on earth had any interest in him. Not vatech, not Rutgers, not South Carolina. The name Butch jones has become synonymous with being an idiot in the college football world. Announcers multiple times this year made "channeling his inner Butch jones" references. There was also the Tyndall debacle. Wow
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Hart didn't hire Dooley. How long will people keep blaming him for that. He came in and fixed chit.
Edit: sorry, he wasn't talking about dooley. Still a garbage post.
 
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Howie54 said:
I have been on the fence with Dave but the Nike deal Texas got made me more than skeptical. Texas 15 year 250 million contract. Tennessee 8 year 35 million? Come on man. Securing funds is his number 1 priority and in his first real opportunity he didn't negotiate real well.
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merchandising = negotiation ability

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chattavol420 said:
Omg. I was tying so hard to find sarcasm in the post thinking I'd get a good laugh...unfortunately I think op is dead serious. Wow. Hart hired one of the worst sidelines managing coaches we've ever had at ut. Then gave him a raise and extension both of the last 2 seasons when no other program on earth had any interest in him. Not vatech, not Rutgers, not South Carolina. The name Butch jones has become synonymous with being an idiot in the college football world. Announcers multiple times this year made "channeling his inner Butch jones" references. There was also the Tyndall debacle. Wow
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It sounds like your issue is with Butch Jones rather than Dave Hart.
 
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The OP's initial point about the bowls is well taken. We suffered mightily in the bowl pecking order under Hamilton - whereas we've overachieved big time in the two trips under Hart's watch. UT to Jax at 6-6 was a major coup and blossomed into arguably the brightest spot the program's seen in the last 7-8 years. And now we have a chance to top that in a respected New Years Day bowl against a highly ranked opponent.
 
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KBVol said:
Who the eff is Pam?

Hey, you wanna stick your head in the sand with the general direction that the Athletic Department is headed, as you would say, be my guest. So the Nike deal and discrimination suits are sinking the program? Haha. Sure. Stick with that.
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Pam is his wife. Seemed appropriate since you jumped to his defense over my making a couple of factual statements over his hires.

Dave Hart Bio - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site

And you apparently like to do a good deal of embellishment when someone doesn't agree with your position.

Find anywhere I said the AD isn't headed in the right direction or there aren't positive trends or that the Nike contract or discrimination suits are " sinking the program".

Classic straw man arguments that a seasoned Vol Nation vet such as yourself seems adept at.

Of course, it would be nearly impossible to have it headed anywhere but a better direction then things were under Hamilton though.

Between the discrimination suits, the questionable hires, taking less money from Nike, the atrocious situation with the field, and his general arrogant demeanor among other things, I am not a Hart fan.

You apparently want to buy into the party line on here of how wonderful he is, that is your prerogative.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Pam is his wife. Seemed appropriate since you jumped to his defense over my making a couple of factual statements over his hires.

Dave Hart Bio - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site

And you apparently like to do a good deal of embellishment when someone doesn't agree with your position.

Find anywhere I said the AD isn't headed in the right direction or there aren't positive trends or that the Nike contract or discrimination suits are " sinking the program".

Classic straw man arguments that a seasoned Vol Nation vet such as yourself seems adept at.

Of course, it would be nearly impossible to have it headed anywhere but a better direction then things were under Hamilton though.

Between the discrimination suits, the questionable hires, taking less money from Nike, the atrocious situation with the field, and his general arrogant demeanor among other things, I am not a Hart fan.

You apparently want to buy into the party line on here of how wonderful he is, that is your prerogative.
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Don't think he's wonderful, just think he's doing a good job cleaning up a disgusting mess left to him by Hamilton. No strawmen, no excuses, no nothing other than pointing out the positive things he's done to turn things around. You think he's had questionable hires (who besides Tyndall btw?), I think he's on balance done a very good job in that area. You don't like the Nike deal, I think it was an outstanding move that ultimately proved to be a major plus for the AD. Looks like we just disagree. No big deal.
 
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One thing for sure, he didn't fire Fulmer and put the Football program into a ten year tail spin.:
 
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KBVol said:
Don't think he's wonderful, just think he's doing a good job cleaning up a disgusting mess left to him by Hamilton. No strawmen, no excuses, no nothing other than pointing out the positive things he's done to turn things around. You think he's had questionable hires (who besides Tyndall btw?), I think he's on balance done a very good job in that area. You don't like the Nike deal, I think it was an outstanding move that ultimately proved to be a major plus for the AD. Looks like we just disagree. No big deal.
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Exactly. No big deal. it's a message board.

I think the good outweighs the bad with him but that doesn't mean we should ignore the bad.

I even lauded him in the thread discussing Jones getting the raise so it's not like I totally hate the guy or can't appreciate him getting the AD out of the red.

From a hiring standpoint, I think he has been more lucky than good though.

He definitely had Strong higher than Jones and we see how that one is playing out and I still can't believe they missed the issues with Tyndall in the vetting process. given the history with Pearl, that error was almost inexcusable.

The timing was in his favor on landing Barnes though so sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. It probably helped as well getting Barnes a lot closer to home.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Exactly. No big deal. it's a message board.

I think the good outweighs the bad with him but that doesn't mean we should ignore the bad.

I even lauded him in the thread discussing Jones getting the raise so it's not like I totally hate the guy or can't appreciate him getting the AD out of the red.

From a hiring standpoint, I think he has been more lucky than good though.

He definitely had Strong higher than Jones and we see how that one is playing out and I still can't believe they missed the issues with Tyndall in the vetting process. given the history with Pearl, that error was almost inexcusable.

The timing was in his favor on landing Barnes though so sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. It probably helped as well getting Barnes a lot closer to home.
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Easy to criticize what might've been a poor hire in Charlie Strong after the benefit of hindsight of his time at Texas. However, he was coming off two seasons at Louisville where he was a combined 23-3 with two top 15 finishes. At the time, it was entirely logical to have him higher on the list than Butch Jones. And the fact is that after Strong said no, Hart then went and almost immediately got the next guy who is now doing an exemplary job rebuilding the program.

The one, primary ding against him is the Tyndall hiring. He completely Eff'ed that one up, clearly didn't vet him properly. But when it was clear he had to make a change, he went and got one of the winningest coaches in men's collegiate basketball history in very short order. That cancels out the Tyndall screwup IMHO.
 
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KBVol said:
Easy to criticize what might've been a poor hire in Charlie Strong after the benefit of hindsight of his time at Texas. However, he was coming off two seasons at Louisville where he was a combined 23-3 with two top 15 finishes. At the time, it was entirely logical to have him higher on the list than Butch Jones. And the fact is that after Strong said no, Hart then went and almost immediately got the next guy who is now doing an exemplary job rebuilding the program.

The one, primary ding against him is the Tyndall hiring. He completely Eff'ed that one up, clearly didn't vet him properly. But when it was clear he had to make a change, he went and got one of the winningest coaches in men's collegiate basketball history in very short order. That cancels out the Tyndall screwup IMHO.
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Fair enough point on Strong but you could probably find posts on here from me saying I would rather have Jones over Strong when the search was going on.

Just never was enamored with Strong's teams and that last season that ended 12-1 they did have a first round pick at QB in Bridgewater and the schedule was very soft.

I hope Barnes is fully invested in rebuilding the basketball program. I know the time at Texas had him burned out and contemplating retirement at one point.

Early returns look solid though. The defense will definitely get better.
 
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