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Yep. Extremely overblown



Run heavy offense with a WR group that was hammered by injuries.

Hard to make changed with the above and a team that finished so strongly

Exactly. And the 3 WR that remained healthy all year (Smith, Malone, Pearson) had productive seasons.

We lost our best WR (Pig) and North's injuries have turned him into a non factor. Then there's the other factors at play that limit production at WR. (run heavy O, pass blocking woes, accuracy issues at QB, QB prone to fumbling when hit)

Criticism for Azzani is overblown.
 
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Exactly. And the 3 WR that remained healthy all year (Smith, Malone, Pearson) had productive seasons.

We lost our best WR (Pig) and North's injuries have turned him into a non factor. Then there's the other factors at play that limit production at WR. (run heavy O, pass blocking woes, accuracy issues at QB, QB prone to fumbling when hit)

Criticism for Azzani is overblown.

Williams likely makes an impact as well if healthy
 
The LV's will not be pulling it together unless they change the offense. They do not have the roster for a double post half court set offense. It's just plain stupid. There are only two players on the team that consistently create O and they are DeShields and Cooper. Cooper is hot and cold and gets out of control as a freshman. The TO's are atrocious and only Graves fights for rebounds consistently. It is a hot mess and Holly doesn't get why. Doofus should simply look at the roster she recruited and emphasize what they do well. Run transition with a motion type half court O. Call CRB in to help her. The VA Tech game was a new low for the program in the last 4 decades IMO.

Happy for Elder. Good place to start his HC career. Good guy and a good coach. Need a QB coach badly with the great upside at the position waiting in the wings. Now is the time to get that done IMO.
 
Criticism for that is overblown as well. It's not like they are standing on their hands.

Breakerboy can chime in, but I'd think it would be a lot easier to jam a crouching wr than one whose hands are in a better start position. Maybe its why our guys haven't been able to get separation.
 
its just amazing how injuries have destroyed the WR unit every yr since hes been here. Makes you wonder what is going on.
 
Breakerboy can chime in, but I'd think it would be a lot easier to jam a crouching wr than one whose hands are in a better start position. Maybe its why our guys haven't been able to get separation.

I'm not a WR coach but I just think the stance thing is blown way out of proportion. Josh Smith never has any problems getting open.

My biggest gripe has been that we play too many WR.
 
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No one says they are doing hand stands..


But to start from an unnatural position seems a little weird.

(Yes I understand the concept)

The stance and the rotating of 9 WR just seems to me like we are trying to get too cute with our methodology. But I don't think that our WR are put at this huge disadvantage as some fans seem to think.

Like I said, Josh Smith hasn't had any trouble getting open in his 3 years here.
 
CZA isn't going anywhere unless he gets an OC job.

Maryland has not even contacted CZA per Hyams.

He is staying put IMO. And honestly, I think the criticism for him is a little overblown. I know I'm in the minority there but that's my take.

I go back and forth on whether I think CZA is a problem or not.

On one hand, you see Dobbs airmailing receivers by 10 feet... no WR coach in the world can do anything about that. I think his inaccuracy hurts some of the receivers on our roster - North, Williams, Malone to a degree - because they aren't shifty guys who will break wide open like Pig, Smith, Pearson can. They're big, athletic receivers who can physically overwhelm smaller DBs in one-on-ones when the ball is put in the right spot... but Dobbs can't make those throws consistently, and usually won't try because a miss can be a pick. So I think that's just part of the package with Dobbs to an extent.

But on the other hand, WRs frequently struggle to separate and appear to break off routes at the wrong depth multiple times per game. You also have plays like the seam route to Pearson against SC where Dobbs puts the throw where it needs to be and VP isn't looking for the ball. These are WR failures, and the fact that they generally seem widespread makes me wonder about the job CZA is doing. To make matters worse, this OL has improved tremendously as a run-blocking unit but they still struggle in the pass game, sometimes badly.

I think the narrative here is that our WRs sucked until Butch put on his hero suit and saved the team from Azzanni, which is cute but probably BS. There's a big spectrum between 'spending a little more time with them in practice' and 'taking over the unit'. Also, it's not lost on me that CZA's name always seems to surface during coaching change silly season. We may not like him, but other coaches do... and they know a hell of a lot more about football than we do.

So like I said... torn.
 
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The stance and the rotating of 9 WR just seems to me like we are trying to get too cute with our methodology. But I don't think that our WR are put at this huge disadvantage as some fans seem to think.

Like I said, Josh Smith hasn't had any trouble getting open in his 3 years here.

No I don't think it's keeping wr from getting open. Also don't think it's necessary to get in a position like that right before the snap. Like u said, trying to be too cute w it.
 
I go back and forth on whether I think CZA is a problem or not.

On one hand, you see Dobbs airmailing receivers by 10 feet... no WR coach in the world can do anything about that. I think his inaccuracy hurts some of the receivers on our roster - North, Williams, Malone to a degree - because they aren't shifty guys who will break wide open like Pig, Smith, Pearson can. They're big, athletic receivers who can physically overwhelm smaller DBs in one-on-ones when the ball is put in the right spot... but Dobbs can't make those throws consistently, and usually won't try because a miss can be a pick. So I think that's just part of the package with Dobbs to an extent.

But on the other hand, WRs frequently struggle to separate and appear to break off routes at the wrong depth multiple times per game. You also have plays like the seam route to Pearson against SC where Dobbs puts the throw where it needs to be and VP isn't looking for the ball. These are WR failures, and the fact that they generally seem widespread makes me wonder about the job CZA is doing. To make matters worse, this OL has improved tremendously as a run-blocking unit but they still struggle in the pass game, sometimes badly.

I think the narrative here is that our WRs sucked until Butch put on his hero suit and saved the team from Azzanni, which is cute but probably BS. There's a big spectrum between 'spending a little more time with them in practice' and 'taking over the unit'. Also, it's not lost on me that CZA's name always seems to surface during coaching change silly season. We may not like him, but other coaches do... and they know a hell of a lot more about football than we do.

So like I said... torn.

Our big receivers don't play like big receivers

They don't go get the ball. They don't fight for it. There is a highlight reel of catchable balls where the proper effort wasn't made.

And it has mostly been Malone.

Edit: and when I say effort I don't mean hustle. I mean it's like they don't understand how to properly use their size and ability
 
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IMO here is what I look at. How productive have our WR's been here under him? Answer that question and you got your answer.
 
Injuries are a legit excuse for him, but "productive" is an overstatement for those 3 guys. None of them went over 400 yards receiving.

Has more to do with the other factors I listed than CZA.

Fans want more production at WR and I would agree but replacing CZA isn't the answer.
 
Our big receivers don't play like big receivers

They don't go get the ball. They don't fight for it. There is a highlight reel of catchable balls where the proper effort wasn't made.

And it has mostly been Malone.

I'd love to see Debord draw up a few easy ones for Malone early in each game to get him going. From what I've seen of him, if you get him the ball, suddenly he starts getting open, fighting for the ball and getting the tough yards after catch. Just needs that initial kick to tune in... otherwise he drifts.

JMO.
 
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Has more to do with the other factors I listed than CZA.

Fans want more production at WR and I would agree but replacing CZA isn't the answer.

How do you know that for sure though? It's a known fact that Azzani had to be called out by Butch after the Arky game and the WRs performance didn't improve until Butch started being more hands on with them UGA week. How can you say for certain that replacing Azzani wouldn't lead to improvement of our WRs?

You'd think the passing game coordinator would be able to figure some ways to take advantage of a WR unit (and TE like Wolf) as talented as ours. Fact is, if he was worth a damn, somebody besides CMU last season would have made a run at him by now. As things stand, Maryland hasn't even actually contacted him.
 
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It's honestly hard for any single WR to be statically productive considering how often we rotate them

Would the WR coach not have any say with that, though? And at least the last half of the season we slowed down with that a lot. I'm not saying CZA is the main reason, but there is a problem with our WR unit not getting production and something HAS to be done.

IMO if CZA gets let go or leaves for another job then sounds good. If not then okay. But our WR core needs to produce next year. Whether it be his coaching as the WR coach or Butch's idea to rotate every individual in that unit.
 
How do you know that for sure though? It's a known fact that Azzani had to be called out by Butch after the Arky game and the WRs performance didn't improve until Butch started being more hands on with them UGA week. How can you say for certain that replacing Azzani wouldn't lead to improvement of our WRs?

You'd think the passing game coordinator would be able to figure some ways to take advantage of a WR unit (and TE like Wolf) as talented as ours. Fact is, if he was worth a damn, somebody besides CMU last season would have made a run at him by now. As things stand, Maryland hasn't even actually contacted him.

Agreed. Also, CZA needs to tune those players in more during games. If I were a WR coach and I saw my WR's lolly gagging and not going after that ball...not giving the right amount of effort...lets just say I would not be happy.
 
How do you know that for sure though? It's a known fact that Azzani had to be called out by Butch after the Arky game and the WRs performance didn't improve until Butch started being more hands on with them UGA week. How can you say for certain that replacing Azzani wouldn't lead to improvement of our WRs?

You'd think the passing game coordinator would be able to figure some ways to take advantage of a WR unit (and TE like Wolf) as talented as ours. Fact is, if he was worth a damn, somebody besides CMU last season would have made a run at him by now. As things stand, Maryland hasn't even actually contacted him.

You make a fair point about the supposed heat between Butch/CZA after the Arky game. But again, I think it's overblown. Coaches have had arguments as long there has been football coaches. I believe LWS chimed in on this and said something similar.

I just think that WR production being down has more to do with things other than Azzani. We don't have a Calvin Ridley on this team that is going to go for 100 yards every week. We spread the ball around and our best players in this offense are Kamara, Hurd and Dobbs. Adding to that the other factors I've mentioned several times.

Also, I believe Eazy said a while back that the rotating of 9 WR is gone and not coming back. Personally, I would like to see us play 3 for 75% of the snaps. and then have 3 others who rotate in. I also want to see us healthy at that position for an entire year.

Focusing on the good for a second, I think we saw Croom improve before he was injured. We have gotten two very solid years from Vonn. Josh Smith went from a guy who dropped more than his fair share to a guy who is very dependable and gets open consistently.

The passing coordinator title is a paper title. It means nothing.
 
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Tennessee: With tight ends / special teams coordinator Mark Elder leaving for Eastern Kentucky, the early feedback we’re hearing is that Tennessee might look to bring in a coach to work full-time with the quarterbacks and shift other staff responsibilities. Will update as the search progresses.


From football scoop twitter.
 
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