A church/state issue?

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ClearwaterVol said:
No, you are missing the point. The law has been in place and now there is a mosque. It had never been applied to mosques only traditional churches. If it is applicable to churches it must be applicable to mosques. This isn't an example of laws created to protect muslims it is a law that was enacted to protect all religions.
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Majewski, whose family emigrated from Poland in the early 20th century, admitted to a few concerns of her own. Business owners within 500 feet of one of Hamtramck’s four mosques can’t obtain a liquor license, she complained, a notable development in a place that flouted Prohibition-era laws by openly operating bars. The restrictions could thwart efforts to create an entertainment hub downtown, said the pro-commerce mayor.

Read the article before you look foolish in a post.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Dude you are the biggest head in the sand person I have ever had a discussion with.

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress....ees-91-4-on-food-stamps-68-3-on-cash-welfare/

It stands to reason if you were capable of critical thinking. What skills do these people possess to support a family on? Some can't speak English or Spanish.
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Not facts on Muslims.

It doesn't speak to anything other than they received them. I am not surprised that refugees needed assistance to begin their lives here. Your stats show nothing on the length of time spent on welfare.

I don't know what skills they have and neither do you.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
You're talking apples and oranges when you use Kurds as an example. They're persecuted like the Jews by most Arabs and are by far the most USA friendly culture in the ME.
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Several sects are classified as a terrorist organization by our government.
 
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gasguy98 said:
From the article:

Majewski, whose family emigrated from Poland in the early 20th century, admitted to a few concerns of her own. Business owners within 500 feet of one of Hamtramck’s four mosques can’t obtain a liquor license, she complained, a notable development in a place that flouted Prohibition-era laws by openly operating bars. The restrictions could thwart efforts to create an entertainment hub downtown, said the pro-commerce mayor.

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I am still not seeing where a law was not on the books that the mosques have taken advantage of... let's read objectively.

BTW, look at the highlighted part and tell me the agenda set forth by the author.
 
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gasguy98 said:
From the article:

Majewski, whose family emigrated from Poland in the early 20th century, admitted to a few concerns of her own. Business owners within 500 feet of one of Hamtramck’s four mosques can’t obtain a liquor license, she complained, a notable development in a place that flouted Prohibition-era laws by openly operating bars. The restrictions could thwart efforts to create an entertainment hub downtown, said the pro-commerce mayor.

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Zoning restrictions and other local ordinances are fought over all the time in cities and towns across the country, why is this any different? My neighborhood association fought against allowing combined residential and commercial zoning for corner properties because they feared corner stores would attract poor people. They won but a few blocks away the adjacent neighborhood was okay with it and fought to allow it in their area. If they want liquor stores outside of mosques, they need to get the votes and influence the next round of code writing. This isn't really an issue, in my opinion, certainly not a national one.
 
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gasguy98 said:
From the article:

Majewski, whose family emigrated from Poland in the early 20th century, admitted to a few concerns of her own. Business owners within 500 feet of one of Hamtramck’s four mosques can’t obtain a liquor license, she complained, a notable development in a place that flouted Prohibition-era laws by openly operating bars. The restrictions could thwart efforts to create an entertainment hub downtown, said the pro-commerce mayor.

Read the article before you look foolish in a post.
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:birgits_giggle:


As a slavic I am allowed to laugh at that name.
 
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I'm curious why there are tantrums being thrown about these alcohol ordinances when blue laws have existed and still exist, including.. wait for it- alcohol ordinances.

Personally, I'm not in favor of any blue law, whether it be Muslims not wanting alcohol sold near their mosque or Christians not wanting booze sold on Sundays. That's my position and I've been consistent with it. But when you come out of the woodwork to shriek about this but nary a peep about the same exact thing that's already existed here forever, it exposes what you really care about. It's not about the ordinances.

As for the call to prayer, if it's loud as **** and there are noise ordinances, make them stop. If there isn't, then there's not much you can do. There's a good chance it's being blown out of proportion for the sake of the looming Muslim conquest narrative.
 
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YorkVol said:
Probably, but the school bells start at around 7 depending on the school, which I'm sure is pretty offensive to the kids.

But for me it comes down to two things:

1. When you ban one thing, you risk banning everything.

2. Local politics should be able to solve this.
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Fully agree. As I mentioned earlier, if the city council is providing the mosques with an exception to the noise ordinance, should be slam dunk for anyone wanting to put a stop to it.
 
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gasguy98 said:
From the article:

Majewski, whose family emigrated from Poland in the early 20th century, admitted to a few concerns of her own. Business owners within 500 feet of one of Hamtramck’s four mosques can’t obtain a liquor license, she complained, a notable development in a place that flouted Prohibition-era laws by openly operating bars. The restrictions could thwart efforts to create an entertainment hub downtown, said the pro-commerce mayor.

Read the article before you look foolish in a post.
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Did they resend or refuse to renew existing liquor licenses or just not issuing new ones because of the mosque? Big difference.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Tension: Barbara Zielinska, 60, is unsettled by groups of young Arab men congregating late at night. 'We have an invasion of Muslims here now,' she said. 'I'm not afraid to say what needs to be said. '

I guess she is just a fear monger, right Clearwater? Or since she is 60 and white her opinion does not count. Oh and there is no ISIS or threat of terrorism from Islamic countries. Nope, none, never.

Inside Hamtramck, America's only Muslim-majority city, where the call to prayer echoes in the streets - and Syrian refugees are welcomed in defiance of the governor | Daily Mail Online
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This is ****ing hilarious. This lady is upset that there are Muslims in her vicinity. What in that article made you think it in any way supported your position?
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'm curious why there are tantrums being thrown about these alcohol ordinances when blue laws have existed and still exist, including.. wait for it- alcohol ordinances.

Personally, I'm not in favor of any blue law, whether it be Muslims not wanting alcohol sold near their mosque or Christians not wanting booze sold on Sundays. That's my position and I've been consistent with it. But when you come out of the woodwork to shriek about this but nary a peep about the same exact thing that's already existed here forever, it exposes what you really care about. It's not about the ordinances.

As for the call to prayer, if it's loud as **** and there are noise ordinances, make them stop. If there isn't, then there's not much you can do. There's a good chance it's being blown out of proportion for the sake of the looming Muslim conquest narrative.
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There was a Hooters near my house. Then the county built a school. Then the Hooters shut down because they lost their liquor license because a school was across the street. Blue laws..they are BS.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
There was a Hooters near my house. Then the county built a school. Then the Hooters shut down because they lost their liquor license because a school was across the street. Blue laws..they are BS.
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There was an Exxon in Nashville they remodeled a few years ago, after the remodel was done they were 2' to close to a church daycare. They pulled their beer license for while.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
There was a Hooters near my house. Then the county built a school. Then the Hooters shut down because they lost their liquor license because a school was across the street. Blue laws..they are BS.
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Hooters should have been grandfathered in.
 
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hog88 said:
There was an Exxon in Nashville they remodeled a few years ago, after the remodel was done they were 2' to close to a church daycare. They pulled their beer license for while.
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Whoever owned the Exxon were idiots. They knew or should have known the law before adding on.
 
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Gramps said:
Whoever owned the Exxon were idiots. They knew or should have known the law before adding on.
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Wrong.

Didn't know the church had moved it's daycare to a new building. They fixed it, it was the overhang from the roof. Church fought that also. This is where organized religion loses me, waste more time and effort over stupid **** like this.
 
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hog88 said:
Wrong.

Didn't know the church had moved it's daycare to a new building. They fixed it, it was the overhang from the roof. Church fought that also. This is where organized religion loses me, waste more time and effort over stupid **** like this.
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Still dumb on the owners of the Exxon.

The church was out of line in fighting this.

Good thing the local commission fixed it.


Over in Morristown , Food City build 2 new stores last year. One was too close to a church, the other too close to a little league ball park. Nothing was said until they were ready to open, the city could not sell them a beer license. They were open a month or so and guess what, the city commission changed the distant law. Two big grocery stores bringing in several jobs and tax dollars forced the commission to change the law. I betcha some normal citizen build a small convenient store too close to either place the law would not have been changed.
 
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gasguy98 said:
And many DO live off benefits and do not work. That is another issue I have not addressed.
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That is EXACTLY what the problem is in Europe. They have no jobs, and live off the socialist government teat. This is what LG and the rest of the liberals want here. I can't wait myself.
 
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Gramps said:
Still dumb on the owners of the Exxon.

The church was out of line in fighting this.

Good thing the local commission fixed it.


Over in Morristown , Food City build 2 new stores last year. One was too close to a church, the other too close to a little league ball park. Nothing was said until they were ready to open, the city could not sell them a beer license. They were open a month or so and guess what, the city commission changed the distant law. Two big grocery stores bringing in several jobs and tax dollars forced the commission to change the law. I betcha some normal citizen build a small convenient store too close to either place the law would not have been changed.
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That's how the world works.

Business should never be impacted by the location of a church. Frankly since houses of religion usually do not pay property tax, their wishes should be last in the line of concern.
 
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hog88 said:
That's how the world works.

Business should never be impacted by the location of a church. Frankly since houses of religion usually do not pay property tax, their wishes should be last in the line of concern.
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Agree 100%
 
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Gramps said:
Good post GV.

I made a post in anterior thread a few weeks ago that applies here and goes along with what you are saying.

Christians need to be careful what they wish for. If the government can make religion A illegal it can also make religion B illegal.

I personally see no difference legally in allowing Muslims to have their call for prayer vs Christian Church bells. As others have said, if anything this is a noise ordinance issue.
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