Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXII

[Vols4us]

Many of us are just weary of the 'could or should have beens'.

Yes, we know the players need to learn how to close out games. However, there are obvious coaching reasons that other teams are scoring more points than our guys in the second half. To ignore that fact is sticking your head in the sand. We want Butch to make the changes he needs to make within himself. He will need to do so for the team to meet high expectations next season.

 

[VolGee4]

Anytime you go 10-1 and play in the SEC you've accomplished something regardless of the circumstances. Is McElwain the next great FL coach? Who knows, but you have to respect what he's done this year. My OP had more to do with his press conference. He was very honest. He called his players out without totally throwing them under the bus. And he wasn't happy with the game and didn't come into the PC confrontational saying he wasn't going to apologize for a win.

I am pretty sure that McElwain said he wouldn't apologize for the win over Vandy, so he couldn't use that again. He said that championship level teams have games (like Vandy) and find ways to win. I agree that he has done a fantastic job. No complaints about that. But if you are trying to say he is taking a different (and maybe better) approach than Butch, McElwain did something very similar after their Vandy game. Maybe his personality is more laid back, and it seems more honest.

 

[74volz]

Maybe Peyton will Volunteer some time next year to work on Dobbs mechanics. A day a week shouldn't be to demanding cmon Peyton.

Looks like he'll have a lot more time on his hands next year. It'd be ideal for Manning to teach Dobbs on so many mechanics. Really hope that happens. Sucks to see Peyton retire, but it's definitely time to.

 

[jave36]

Arkansas is 6-5 and is in the others receiving votes in the latest coaches poll.

Tennessee is not.

Total crap

They beat UT Ole miss Auburn and lsu, we beat UGA and no other P5 with a winning record that I can think of. I can see it.

 

[VolGee4]

Who?

Texas Tech and the A&M loss doesn't look as good now.

 

[BruinVol]

Texas Tech and the A&M loss doesn't look as good now.

Add Toledo to that as well but still not bad enough losses to erase a head to head win against us IMO

 

[chavisut]

Sounds like you're a fan.

Woo pig sooie

 

[MrVolton]

Arkansas may have better wins, but they've got worse losses too.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I am pretty sure that McElwain said he wouldn't apologize for the win over Vandy, so he couldn't use that again. He said that championship level teams have games (like Vandy) and find ways to win. I agree that he has done a fantastic job. No complaints about that. But if you are trying to say he is taking a different (and maybe better) approach than Butch, McElwain did something very similar after their Vandy game. Maybe his personality is more laid back, and it seems more honest.

I'm not really comparing him to Butch as far as how he's coached. McElwain comes across more seasoned in his PCs than Butch. Butch is always defensive. He blew a gasket when Hubbs asked a very benign question. I think Butch could gain some real estate with some fans if he'd own up to some of the mistakes, his, his coaches, and players.

Butch is still a relatively inexperienced coach. Only six years as a head coach prior to coming to TN. I think he's got a lot of growing to do and I think he will, in all aspects of coaching.

 

[chavisut]

Arkansas may have better wins, but they've got worse losses too.

Better wins > better losses

 

[chavisut]

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[engineerVOL]

Iowa as the No. 3 team in the AP. SMH.

I guess it's the jealousy speaking but they're in for a rude awakening. Either Mich State or Bama in the playoff is going to absolutely mess them up sideways.

 

[snowvols]

Les Miles's tenure at LSU may be over; buyout not an issue, source says | NOLA.com

Any LSU recruits we can snag?

 

[butchna]

Les Miles's tenure at LSU may be over; buyout not an issue, source says | NOLA.com

Any LSU recruits we can snag?

ALL of them? Until they hire Herman.

 

[InVOLuntary]

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I agree to a certain extent but his prior 6 years don't compare to coaching at TN. I think he's gotten a pass the last two years and now fans are expecting results. This criticism he gets is uncharted water for him and he's feeling his way around.

 

[chavisut]

I'm not really comparing him to Butch as far as how he's coached. McElwain comes across more seasoned in his PCs than Butch. Butch is always defensive. He blew a gasket when Hubbs asked a very benign question. I think Butch could gain some real estate with some fans if he'd own up to some of the mistakes, his, his coaches, and players.

Butch is still a relatively inexperienced coach. Only six years as a head coach prior to coming to TN. I think he's got a lot of growing to do and I think he will, in all aspects of coaching.

This is his 9th year as a HC. Is that really inexperience?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Chavis, was that some kind of bait and switch you just performed?

 

[InVOLuntary]

This is his 9th year as a HC. Is that really inexperience?

Yes, as an SEC level coach, he's "relatively" inexperienced.

 

[VolinArizona]

ALL of them? Until they hire Herman.

Not sold on Herman. Any elite program hiring him is taking a huge risk. (USC, lsu, vt)

 

[Dust10]

Iowa as the No. 3 team in the AP. SMH.

I guess it's the jealousy speaking but they're in for a rude awakening. Either Mich State or Bama in the playoff is going to absolutely mess them up sideways.

They'll lose the Big Ten championship game and not make the playoffs.

 

[butchna]

Chavis, was that some kind of bait and switch you just performed?

He's a master at baiting. :lol:

 

[InVOLuntary]

They'll lose the Big Ten championship game and not make the playoffs.

I think that's where the Michigan State reference was coming into play.

 

[chavisut]

Yes, as an SEC level coach, he's "relatively" inexperienced.

Plenty have less total experience coming into the conference.

 

[InVOLuntary]

He's a master at baiting. :lol:

Oh no you didn't! opcorn:

 

[InVOLuntary]

Plenty have less total experience coming into the conference.

I wouldn't say plenty, plus you have to look at where they got there experience. Cincinnati is decent experience but Central Michigan not so much.