Finally, Help for Shield-Watkins Field

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musolfmj said:
I know most of you hate him, but give Hyams credit. He ripped UTAD big on this one with a lot of facts and strong opinion, and got some results. If you haven't read his blog, you should.
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Thanks for mentioning that blog. Just read it and all I can say is WOW. If what he wrote is indeed true, the head groundskeeper should be fired on the spot.
 
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Something this idiotic could only happen in Knoxville under the "leadership" of Dave Hart.

Would it not stand to reason that someone would question dropping 100-200K$ every season on resodding?

The fact that North Texas, NORTH TEXAS, was making fun of the stadium is beyond shameful.
 
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Someone will probably open a trailer park outside Gate 21 and Hart won't notice until a Camaro falls off its blocks and injures a fan.
 
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thebjd said:
A 100,000 seat stadium might block some sunlight as well.
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UT switched from turf back to natural grass over 20 years ago, and they never had a problem with a slick field until recently. The problem isn't Neyland Stadium, it's the way the grass is being maintained.
 
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SPRINGHILLVOL said:
Issue may be jones overuses the field... not giving the field any off season rest ad wanting a green surface year round. see Tony Basilio note on current grasskeeper...

....Why is that Darren Seybold's other fields on that campus at EVERY OTHER natural grass venue are spotless with wonderful playing fields? The Lady Vols soccer stadium is immaculate. Both the softball and baseball fields are wonderful.
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Well, the baseball field is not particularly immaculate and Seybold doesn't directly maintain the others mentioned.

The soccer field got a fungus a coupe of years ago and needs to be re-sodded, but having to re-do Neyland and the practice fields every year have left that project out of the budget.
 
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BruinVol said:
Hopefully Deerpark can address this because he seems to make most of what I was told more believable

I was told he turf specialist at UT endorsed Seybold when he was hired and are still supportive of him.

The second part of that seems harder to beeline but it was the main reason given for the hope he might keep his job.
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I can't speak to who the expert on campus supported at the time of the search, but Bobby Campbell had endorsed a different candidate.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I can't speak to who the expert on campus supported at the time of the search, but Bobby Campbell had endorsed a different candidate.
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Campbell wasn't who I was referring to


I am more curious if the professor is in Seybold corner now?
 
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The grass will come back when Butch quits demanding the field stay green even during winter time. Grass has natural dormant times in ET. Butch's demands for full time green is causing them to resod the field too much. You should not have to resod Neyland as much as they do. Over seeding for green winter grass hurts your springtime growth. That's one reason you don't see many if any local golf courses still over seeding. Wonder if they experience the same issues on the practice field as I know they resodded that field once already this year around football practice time.
 
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Volhoops said:
The grass will come back when Butch quits demanding the field stay green even during winter time. Grass has natural dormant times in ET. Butch's demands for full time green is causing them to resod the field too much. You should not have to resod Neyland as much as they do. Over seeding for green winter grass hurts your springtime growth. That's one reason you don't see many if any local golf courses still over seeding. Wonder if they experience the same issues on the practice field as I know they resodded that field once already this year around football practice time.
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It's never been an issue in the past all the way back to '94. There are ways to kill the rye without harming the Bermuda.

The re-sodding every year is a relatively new thing that's going on...and UT isn't alone in doing that.
 
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Boca Vol said:
It's never been an issue in the past all the way back to '94. There are ways to kill the rye without harming the Bermuda.
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And that is part of the problem. Can't kill the rye grass out if the head coach wants the field presentable every weekend

Killing the rye grass makes a field look awful for 2-4 weeks
 
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Butch said in his press conference something to the effect that he doesn't know much about turf or what to do to fix it except hope for some 70 degree weather.

Guess what?
 
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BruinVol said:
And that is part of the problem. Can't kill the rye grass out if the head coach wants the field presentable every weekend

Killing the rye grass makes a field look awful for 2-4 weeks
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In Jan...who cares?
 
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Volhoops said:
The grass will come back when Butch quits demanding the field stay green even during winter time. Grass has natural dormant times in ET. Butch's demands for full time green is causing them to resod the field too much.
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Per Deerpark and the Hyams article, they have re-sodded every year since 2012. I'm not sure that Butch had enough pull with the university to get them to re-sod in the summer of 2012.
 
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Boca Vol said:
In Jan...who cares?
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Thats the groundskeepers side to this. The timing of thing needed isn't allowed

Butch wants the field in gameday shape during times other things should be being done especially in jan and feb for OVs

Rye grass isn't sprayed out until April or after though
 
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Volhoops said:
The grass will come back when Butch quits demanding the field stay green even during winter time. Grass has natural dormant times in ET. Butch's demands for full time green is causing them to resod the field too much. You should not have to resod Neyland as much as they do. Over seeding for green winter grass hurts your springtime growth. That's one reason you don't see many if any local golf courses still over seeding. Wonder if they experience the same issues on the practice field as I know they resodded that field once already this year around football practice time.
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That is nonsense, any golf course worth it's money will over-seed the greens and the fairways. Over-seeding does little to no damage to dormant grasses.
 
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When is the last time you saw a football game on a brown field at any level? The whole notion is silly. The reasons for continuously resodding are troubling because it isn't given enough time to root in before heavy use. The ideal method would be sprigging the field while allowing it enough time to firmly root in and adjust to the climate but the entire maintenance staff has put itself behind the 8 ball by resodding every year.
 
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landscapingvol said:
You have lost your mind. What because of this new found discovery on Volnation that it is now harmful to over-seed? I can't help but notice all of the brown greens being used these days hahaha :crazy:
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Lol. Try being a hair more knowledgable before mocking others

Most Greens are a very different grass(bent) than fairways. Some have to been covered when temps are below a certain temp. Very few are actually over seeded with rye
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol. Try being a hair more knowledgable before mocking others

Most Greens are a very different grass(bent) than fairways. Some have to been covered when temps are below a certain temp. Very few are actually over seeded with rye
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Thanks Captain Wikipedia I actually used to be a greenskeeper and assistant at some very good golf courses. You have no clue what you are talking about haha. Bentgrass is rarely used in the South, it is too hot and most greens meaning virtually all in the South are Bermuda and are overseeded.
 
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Volhoops said:
The grass will come back when Butch quits demanding the field stay green even during winter time. Grass has natural dormant times in ET. Butch's demands for full time green is causing them to resod the field too much. You should not have to resod Neyland as much as they do. Over seeding for green winter grass hurts your springtime growth. That's one reason you don't see many if any local golf courses still over seeding. Wonder if they experience the same issues on the practice field as I know they resodded that field once already this year around football practice time.
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Butch not only gets in the way of his playmakers....see ok and fl games...but he gets in the way of grass growing haha
 
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landscapingvol said:
Thanks Captain Wikipedia I actually used to be a greenskeeper and assistant at some very good golf courses. You have no clue what you are talking about haha. Bentgrass is rarely used in the South, it is too hot and most greens meaning virtually all in the South are Bermuda and are overseeded.
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lol


Bent grass greens are on about 70% of golf courses in tenn Because of the climate but if you insist I will go find proof to calm you down
 
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Any time you want to take a drive and make a list of all the golf courses in the South that have overseeded greens? I would highly suggest it before you pretend to be an "expert" hahaha
 
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