Will Jalen Hurd make an All SEC Team?

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Vol74 said:
He's not a fan of the system, but he's evolved well (I think). I really think it's the sideways running combined with ineffective blocking (constantly) that has become the frustration.
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Honestly I'd be frustrated too behind our OL. Things should be a better next year at that position though, wouldn't you agree?
 
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VFL34 said:
Hurd is much faster. He just has a longer stride. Kamara has great acceleration and quickness but that doesn't mean he has top end speed. Hurd has tremendous top end. Dexter mxclister comes to mind when I think of kamara speed. U all remember mccluster. Very quick and could accelerate but ran a 4.6 forty.
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Pretty good comparison.

Im really impressed with Kamara catching the ball out of the backfield.
 
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Vol74. I'm sorry if I offended you at all yesterday. I had a few to drink and I apologize. No disrespect at all. I do like jalen Hurd, I really do. And no I'm not a troll
 
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So our star player has a family member very opening saying the kid doesn't care how he perceived by the fans, may transfer, and hates playing in this offense where he is the featured back?

In what freaking world do we live in where people think this kind of talk is appropriate for public consumption?
 
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Nobody in college football has got more yards with less blocking than Hurd. I don't know whether its the spread scheme or our mediocre blocking, or both, but the Hurd seldom has much of a hole to run through--what yards he gets are often through his own second and third effort. He's a workhorse--and, frankly, we'd be in serious trouble without him.

Throwing to Kamara out of the backfield is the smartest thing we've done on offense this year. We take advantage of his quicks.
 
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VFL34 said:
Hurd is much faster. He just has a longer stride. Kamara has great acceleration and quickness but that doesn't mean he has top end speed. Hurd has tremendous top end. Dexter mxclister comes to mind when I think of kamara speed. U all remember mccluster. Very quick and could accelerate but ran a 4.6 forty.
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Okay....I understand what you're saying--that's the reason the KY DB ran Kamara down...

Oh yeah--I remember McCluster running all over and around us back in 2009....

Question for you......

What do you think Hurd's potential would be if we lined him up some in the I formation with Dobbs under center and ran some isolation plays???
 
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BruinVol said:
So our star player has a family member very opening saying the kid doesn't care how he perceived by the fans, may transfer, and hates playing in this offense where he is the featured back?

In what freaking world do we live in where people think this kind of talk is appropriate for public consumption?
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I understand what you are saying....and I can't say that you are wrong for saying it....it would be better if this info wasn't discussed publicly...

But--would you consider this......

CBJ's offense is NOT designed to feature a RB--any RB....it's designed to feature and requires an ELITE QB.....

Hurd may be the perfect back for this system....but this system is not the ideal match for his abilities and skills.......LSU, Michigan, Stanford, and McElwain's Alabama offenses all truly FEATURE the RB...Ohio State beat Bama last year by running between the tackles with Ezekiel Elliot...and the threat of a QB who could throw the ball down the field....and actually did a time or two....but OSU didn't LIVE by their 3rd team QB's ability

Before I get slammed--I believe that you have to have a good QB....and he's got to be able to lead the team and make the throws....

But Championships are won by teams who can line up and run the ball between the tackles when they want to and eat up the clock and preserve 2 TD leads in the 4th QTR....And this offensive system of CBJ's will NEVER be able to do that.....it's not designed to do that....

I don't think--even with a seasoned, SR. led OL--that this system will be able to do that (like our 2013 OL)...

And I personally wouldn't want an elite RB--like Jalen Hurd--to be content in this offensive system.
 
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Vol74 said:
Well, there's a good chance Hurd may not be coming back after this season, so we'll see how well Alvin runs up the middle next year.

Great back and definitely fits the system better, so we'll see.
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This is silly talk as Hurd would be foolish to transfer and sit out a season as he's got NFL written all over him. Why wait another year to get paid and transferring would hurt his draft stock. Play out the next season at UT then enter the draft. There won't be anything else to show the scouts as he will have been the featured back for 3 seasons.

As for the frustration with the offensive system, did the Hurd family not notice the type of offense CBJ had always utilized? I'm sure its frustrating for any RB to not have good blocking but that's a reflection of the OL more than the system. Fournette just got pummeled by bama running the type O you appear to desire? JH performed must better against bama in UT's system.

FWIW, I enjoy watching how hard JH runs and I recognize his talents. The only thing I've seen that Todd Gurley had over JH was a slight speed advantage yet JH has a size advantage over TG so maybe it would even out at the next level? I could see JH as a 1st day selection after next season.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
I understand what you are saying....and I can't say that you are wrong for saying it....it would be better if this info wasn't discussed publicly...

But--would you consider this......

CBJ's offense is NOT designed to feature a RB--any RB....it's designed to feature and requires an ELITE QB.....

Hurd may be the perfect back for this system....but this system is not the ideal match for his abilities and skills.......LSU, Michigan, Stanford, and McElwain's Alabama offenses all truly FEATURE the RB...Ohio State beat Bama last year by running between the tackles with Ezekiel Elliot...and the threat of a QB who could throw the ball down the field....and actually did a time or two....but OSU didn't LIVE by their 3rd team QB's ability

Before I get slammed--I believe that you have to have a good QB....and he's got to be able to lead the team and make the throws....

But Championships are won by teams who can line up and run the ball between the tackles when they want to and eat up the clock and preserve 2 TD leads in the 4th QTR....And this offensive system of CBJ's will NEVER be able to do that.....it's not designed to do that....

I don't think--even with a seasoned, SR. led OL--that this system will be able to do that (like our 2013 OL)...

And I personally wouldn't want an elite RB--like Jalen Hurd--to be content in this offensive system.
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I am 100% fine with the frustrations about the offense. In fact I don't think the spread can win championships without a heisman type QB in the SEC and have said that from day 1 of the cbj era.

However I didn't committ to play for a coach that has a track record with that style.

I am 100% against the player allowing his frustrations to be brought here out in the open. Shame on the kid, 74, or both.
 
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walkenvol said:
This is silly talk as Hurd would be foolish to transfer and sit out a season as he's got NFL written all over him. Why wait another year to get paid and transferring would hurt his draft stock. Play out the next season at UT then enter the draft. There won't be anything else to show the scouts as he will have been the featured back for 3 seasons.

As for the frustration with the offensive system, did the Hurd family not notice the type of offense CBJ had always utilized? I'm sure its frustrating for any RB to not have good blocking but that's a reflection of the OL more than the system. Fournette just got pummeled by bama running the type O you appear to desire? JH performed must better against bama in UT's system.

FWIW, I enjoy watching how hard JH runs and I recognize his talents. The only thing I've seen that Todd Gurley had over JH was a slight speed advantage yet JH has a size advantage over TG so maybe it would even out at the next level? I could see JH as a 1st day selection after next season.
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I agree it would be a mistake, but there are other options-

-Sit out and go pro

-FCS powerhouse then go pro

-CFL or Arena? Not sure if it has changed, but they used to have 18 as the minimum age. Make 200-600k and buy a Lloyd's of London policy on your knees.
 
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BruinVol said:
I am 100% fine with the frustrations about the offense. In fact I don't think the spread can win championships without a heisman type QB in the SEC and have said that from day 1 of the cbj era.

However I didn't committ to play for a coach that has a track record with that style.

I am 100% against the player allowing his frustrations to be brought here out in the open. Shame on the kid, 74, or both.
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Well--we agree on 99.9%....some thoughts I have are:

I don't think they're worthy of being ashamed...guilty of violating chain of command?--yes.....

I wonder who CBJ would receive honest, constructive criticism from? I wonder if he has a coaching mentor who can honestly and objectively give him constructive feedback on his obvious mistakes....

One would think that an objective, honest review of the OK, Fla, Arky--and now the USCe game tapes would FORCE these guys to re-evaluate their confidence in their scheme....and game-day performances...

They don't have to voice their own self-critique--but it would be nice if they would demonstrate their own self-evaluations by changing what they have been doing WRONG this season--but the USCe game, at least to me, indicates that this is not happening...and that they are unwilling to change....

At the least--there must be accountability for poor coaching and poor scheming within the Athletic department...is that job only for the AD? I confess that I don't know....

Maybe by going public with their frustrations--Hurd and 74 are trying to draw focus on some very obvious problems with the scheme....and force some change...

Once again--I agree that airing out dirty laundry is not the BEST method--but I'd much rather have dirty laundry exposed and some improvements made than to completely destroy our ability to recruit top talent...

And in my opinion--HURD leaving this program would have a DEVASTATING impact on recruiting.....He's the best and brightest of the in-state talent pool.....and I don't believe that CBJ could recover from HURD leaving the program..

Finally--I think this season has exposed CBJ's immaturity...and arrogance....What is it truly going to take to get CBJ to humble himself and make some necessary changes on both sides of the ball?

You??? :salute:
 
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walkenvol said:
Fournette just got pummeled by bama running the type O you appear to desire? JH performed must better against bama in UT's system.

Well--I don't think that HURD is upset over one game....and Bama's front 7 is the BEST in all of college football.....so, not a shock that Bama's 7 was just too good for LSU's OL....

But--let's just examine what LSU's offense has been able to do against their better SEC opponents--and Syracuse:

1. Miss. State...Fournette...28 carries for 159 yds Win
2. Auburn...Fournette...19 carries for 228 yds Win
3. Syracuse...26 carries for 244 yds Win
4. USCe....20 carries for 158 yds Win
5. Florida....31 carries for 180 yds Win....
and Bama...19 carries for 31 yds Loss...

And this is why I don't like our scheme...While I don't think Hurd is as good--almost, but not totally--as Fournette---I think that he would have the SAME success in LSU's scheme as Fournette.....But I don't think Fournette would have those same numbers in our system....and that would be a crime--just like it's a crime not to better utilize Hurd's talents!

Anyway you slice it....LSU's offense is capable--and a proven WINNER against the best SEC competition...

Ours ISN'T......it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize it....
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BruinVol said:
I am 100% fine with the frustrations about the offense. In fact I don't think the spread can win championships without a heisman type QB in the SEC and have said that from day 1 of the cbj era.

However I didn't committ to play for a coach that has a track record with that style.

I am 100% against the player allowing his frustrations to be brought here out in the open. Shame on the kid, 74, or both.
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You're not helping things.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those other guys were before my time but go and check out the roster of those Florida teams Tebow was on. They were filled with NFL starters. He literally quarterbacked an NFL team in college. Thats the only reason he looked good in college.

Once the talent level of the opposition matched Tebow's team, he was exposed as a bad QB.
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I read an article how he was so poorly prepared to be an NFL QB that he literally had to spend a significant amount of time learning how to take a snap from under center.
 
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Mike...whatever. It is monumental stupidity to think this is an ok thing to do. You like it because you want it to be a means to an end. There is nothing good coming from this....nothing.
 
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BruinVol said:
I am 100% fine with the frustrations about the offense. In fact I don't think the spread can win championships without a heisman type QB in the SEC and have said that from day 1 of the cbj era.

However I didn't committ to play for a coach that has a track record with that style.

I am 100% against the player allowing his frustrations to be brought here out in the open. Shame on the kid, 74, or both.
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The frustrations are warranted. Please put a f'k'n cork in it. You're not helping by criticizing Hurd and 74.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Guys with great college careers that struggle in the pros were never good to begin with.
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Such an ignorant and moronic statement. There are hundreds of good COLLEGE players that are not good PRO [players for whatever reason. That doesn't take away what they accomplished in college.
 
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Vol74 said:
I appreciate the concern, but the fact is, JH doesn't care about the fan's perception of him. If he leaves, he'll probably be the most hated player in TN history, so do you really think he cares?

He loves TN and loves TN fans (especially), but staying in this system and continuing to run behind this line will continue to be the reason why "threads like this" are even posted. Is he good enough to make an All-SEC team? Is he good enough? Lol!

He's at the point where he's just so damn tired of getting hammered at or behind the line of scrimmage with regularity (2 straight years now), and you have to wonder what he would do in a different offense behind a different line. Everyone on this board has thought about it and felt he's being used the wrong way in this system, so you don't think he's thinking about it too?

I don't believe that he should leave, and most all of his family feels that way, but at the end of the day, this is his decision and his future at stake.
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Sorry but he isn't going to sit out his Jr year to transfer when he can be eligible for the draft after next year.
 
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Not going to comment on alot of what i just read besides it being discouraging as a Vol fan. Hurd is my favorite player and I think he fits the scheme great. We just dont have the big nastys up front but will next year.


As a comparison Fournette had 9 car for 9 yards by halftime against bama. Finished with 31 yards on 19 car. A QB under center with FB and RB inbehind doesn't mean more yards.

Teams are built to stop traditional football. Our scheme gave us a shot at beating Bama.
 
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This has to be some of the biggest B.S. I have read on here in awhile! We are top 30 in the country in rushing yards, we are only behind LSU & GA in the SEC! Ohio state runs the read option! AL has had four straight #1 recruiting classes! This is all completely about O-line and nothing about scheme! We are rushing the ball as well as any TN team has in the last ten years! Hurd's longest run is 35 yards...there were opportunities to house some long ones and he didn't get it done! To me, there are perplexing O-line lineups at times, but outside of that, there shouldn't be any complaining about how we have ran the ball this year, from players or fans! When we have 4 straight top 5 classes, I'm sure we'll have road graders so our backs won't get hit early all season, like Fournette this year. Then maybe we can get stuffed at the line against Bama on prime time just like Fournette also.

Man, what a load of B.S. & whining!
 
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