Missouri Players Go On Strike (merged)

[Dragon18]

In*American politics, theSouthern strategy*refers to aRepublican Party*strategy of gaining political support for certain candidates in theSouthern United States*by appealing to*racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]

The mid-1960s saw the*African-American Civil Rights Movement, a push for*desegregation, and thebipartisan*passage of the*Civil Rights Act of 1964*and*Voting Rights Act of 1965, after which more than 90 percent of black voters registered with the Democratic Party following their decades-longdisenfranchisement*by southern states. During this period of social upheaval, Republican Presidential candidate*Richard Nixon*worked to attract southern white conservative voters to his candidacy and the Republican Party,*[4]*and Senator*Barry Goldwater*won the five formerly Confederate states of the*Deep South*(Alabama,*Georgia,Louisiana,*Mississippi, and*South Carolina) in the 1964 presidential election. In the*1968 presidential campaign, Nixon won Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee, all former Confederate states, contributing to the*electoral realignment*of white voters in some Southern states to the Republican Party.



History.
Get some.

Doyle you're leaving out a pretty big part of what was happening in politics during that time. My point was that during the most difficult times of the civil rights movement it was democrat governors that were turning the hoses and the dogs on the marchers. If you're going to ask people to get some history, you should as well. There is no doubt that many of the underserved people throughout the country gravitated to the democratic party under Johnson's great society. The notion that republicans are bigots and filled with hate would not get far under historical scrutiny. There are however, looneys from every political persuasion and to get back to my original point we really need to get back to finding things that unite us rather than to divide us.

 

[crusse10]

Very well stated. To some extent, this is the same point I was trying to make. The proposed solutions don't seem bear much relation to the actual incidents that occurred.

The president could have came out and preached for an hour about how much he and the University abhorred the actons of the perpetrators, but I don't think it would have done one ounce to prevent future incidents.

Would it prevent future incidents? Doubtful at best. I believe that as well. And frankly, I expect every one of those students to feel the same way. It's pretty sad.

But by taking a stand as a University and speaking out against racial hatred, you are showing minorities that you do, in fact, care.

 

[FEARinSEC]

That very well could happen, but from what I've read they have the support of the coaches, so I doubt any scholarships are being pulled, at least now anyway.

I'm not so sure the coaches are the only ones who have a say so in pulling scholly's. Just because they have the support of the coaches, doesn't mean this could not end badly for them. I understand having a cause and standing up for that cause, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. These players need to understand that they have an obligation to that football program while they are under scholarship. If their education isn't as important as their cause, then, by all means, carry on (without a free education, of course).

 

[davethevol]

They're getting no sympathy from me, someone who identifies as libertarian, because I don't see their complaints as legitimate. Someone yelling the N word, even if. A public place is not signs of an overtly racist campus. We don't even know that this actually happened or that it wasn't the result of a dare or something stupid IF it did happen. Their desire to rid the school of Thomas Jefferson statues is absolutely asinine and making a big deal of **** swastika that was most likely meant to provoke a response in amongst all this is the definition of petty.

Am I missing something in this story? Are the minorities in Missouri claiming that swastikas only affect them? Do they need a history lesson on the holocaust?

 

[RetardedElf]

Facts are facts. Look up any statistic you want to regarding domestic terrorism and they say the same thing. Far right extremist groups are by far the biggest terrorist threat in the US.

Are street gangs in those statistics? Because every gang member in America is a terrorists. If those numbers were entered in I'm guessing the stats would shift

 

[crusse10]

They're getting no sympathy from me, someone who identifies as libertarian, because I don't see their complaints as legitimate. Someone yelling the N word, even if. A public place is not signs of an overtly racist campus. We don't even know that this actually happened or that it wasn't the result of a dare or something stupid IF it did happen. Their desire to rid the school of Thomas Jefferson statues is absolutely asinine and making a big deal of **** swastika that was most likely meant to provoke a response in amongst all this is the definition of petty.

The fact that you're still clinging to the notion that someone didn't yell a racial slur at them shows that you're not willing to participate in a legitimate discussion on this.

 

[sanddune50]

I'm failing to see how asking him to resign "infringes on his freedom" or how that would be equivalent to "losing his right to work and earn a salary". Being a University president isn't a right last time I checked. Also, I'm not making a judgement either way on who is right or who is wrong, just saying these kids have the right to do this. Free speech and all that.

Not the position itself, but having a job and having the ability to make a livable wage I imagine is a right everyone should have. The guy more than likely worked his way up to that position, so I don't think this guy's livelihood that he earned should be carelessly thrown away because of some emotionally charged overblown story. I don't disagree with the students right to free speech and 'all that', but for every action there is a reaction. And these kids probably should choose which hill they are willing to die on very carefully. Like another poster pointed out, those scholarships are provided with the understanding that they will get a free education provided they live up to their terms of the agreement. Good luck to them.

 

[RikidyBones]

I'm failing to see how asking him to resign "infringes on his freedom" or how that would be equivalent to "losing his right to work and earn a salary". Being a University president isn't a right last time I checked. Also, I'm not making a judgement either way on who is right or who is wrong, just saying these kids have the right to do this. Free speech and all that.

They are demanding a resignation of a person who had nothing to do with the slurs which you can apply "free speech" to as well. Holding the University hostage and an innocent persons job like they are with an overly used racial discrimination gripe is ridiculous. I have respect for equality. Anything other than equality is a disservice to man kind. This is also a disservice because it is taking a **** on all the people who worked their asses off to achieve equality. That's just my opinion

 

[GoVols15]

Looks like Doyle Hargraves picked an extremely liberal source that is so factually incorrect I could go on and on. Just one point to prove how historically incorrect his liberal source is. What party supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Hint, it was NOT the Democratic Party.

This PC nonsense has to stop! People are always going to hate. Hate has no market on any race.

 

[crusse10]

Am I missing something in this story? Are the minorities in Missouri claiming that swastikas only affect them? Do they need a history lesson on the holocaust?

I believe it's more showing that all minorities' issues are being swept under the rug, not just blacks

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Merge?

 

[UTCVol]

In*American politics, theSouthern strategy*refers to aRepublican Party*strategy of gaining political support for certain candidates in theSouthern United States*by appealing to*racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]

The mid-1960s saw the*African-American Civil Rights Movement, a push for*desegregation, and thebipartisan*passage of the*Civil Rights Act of 1964*and*Voting Rights Act of 1965, after which more than 90 percent of black voters registered with the Democratic Party following their decades-longdisenfranchisement*by southern states. During this period of social upheaval, Republican Presidential candidate*Richard Nixon*worked to attract southern white conservative voters to his candidacy and the Republican Party,*[4]*and Senator*Barry Goldwater*won the five formerly Confederate states of the*Deep South*(Alabama,*Georgia,Louisiana,*Mississippi, and*South Carolina) in the 1964 presidential election. In the*1968 presidential campaign, Nixon won Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee, all former Confederate states, contributing to the*electoral realignment*of white voters in some Southern states to the Republican Party.



History.
Get some.

The southern strategy is not some all-encompassing explanation for this shift. Eisenhower did just as well as Goldwater in the South in terms of popular vote. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were Democrats who received widespread support in the South.

I would argue that the appeal to religious voters had a lot more to do with the South becoming solidly red than it did this.

 

[tumscalcium]

The president isn't being asked to step down over some other passerby being racist. The president is on film saying that systematic oppression doesn't exist.

That's not what he said. He also said in the video that no matter what he says they'd be upset, which is true.

 

[RikidyBones]

Google domestic terrorism stats. The results will inform you of who the real terrorists are.

I'll use my eyes. More innocent people die of gang violence than some crazy white guy in a movie theater.

Edit: I got beat to the point

 

[davethevol]

They aren't receiving sympathy because, and I'm just guessing here, 90% of VolNation falls under the white male Republican demographic.

Or because many of the people here are educated and see past the race baiting BS. If the roles were reversed I doubt you'd see a bunch of white players threatening a boycott to play football. This is more of a cultural issue and being taught that everyone is out to keep the black man down. Maybe they should be protesting inner city violence and dead beat dads instead.

 

[CNCVol88]

The fact that you're still clinging to the notion that someone didn't yell a racial slur at them shows that you're not willing to participate in a legitimate discussion on this.

Where did I say it didn't happen? I'm saying it may not have. I'm sorry but I come from a place where an assertion or accusation without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence.

 

[davethevol]

I believe it's more showing that all minorities' issues are being swept under the rug, not just blacks

What issues?

 

[UTCVol]

I'll use my eyes. More innocent people die of gang violence than some crazy white guy in a movie theater.

Edit: I got beat to the point

This is like that bogus statistic that counts gang violence as "mass shootings".

 

[Jimmy Football]

Would it prevent future incidents? Doubtful at best. I believe that as well. And frankly, I expect every one of those students to feel the same way. It's pretty sad.

But by taking a stand as a University and speaking out against racial hatred, you are showing minorities that you do, in fact, care.

Maybe it's just me, but if I were in that situation, I feel like my time/effort would be better spent exploring avenues to effect meaningful change as opposed to rallying for something that, even if successful, probably won't make any difference.

I think that also makes people feel like they're not entirely sincere, like they're just looking for a villain to exact justice upon because they cant find those actually responsible.

 

[k-town_king]

I'll do you one better, how about you provide us with some links to prove your above statement. That's your problem you make definitive statements and claim them as 'facts' but provide no back up to support these 'facts'. Truth be told I have yet to see a fact from you. All I've seen is a bunch of divisive, dishonest, bs to push some ridiculous agenda. How about you put up or shut up?

Are you gonna give us the search of "white devil domestic terrorism"?

Google is your friend.

https://www.google.com/#q=domestic+terrorism+stats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...es-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212

White Supremacists More Dangerous To America Than Foreign Terrorists, Study Says

 

[CNCVol88]

And also like I said, if a racial slur was directed at them, that doesn't mean there's an issue with racism at the University. It means one person said a word someone found offensive. That's a consequence of being an adult and living in a free society. People say offensive things. Offense is always taken and never given. If a single word makes you feel unsafe, you might not have matured enough for university yet.

 

[crusse10]

What issues?

That hatred for minorities is alive and well on campus and that the administration is doing nothing to show that it's on the side of those being hated. If you are the head of a major university and you don't stand up for your students, you are telling them that you don't care about them. The swastika thing shows that it's not just hatred against blacks. Hell I'm shocked nobody here has said that they black students made the swastika to try to further their cause

 

[vols-1]

That very well could happen, but from what I've read they have the support of the coaches, so I doubt any scholarships are being pulled, at least now anyway.

The coaches are saying that now because they are looking for a built in excuse at this point. Mizzou has lost 4 of the last 5 with three solid teams on the horizon.

 

[k-town_king]

Are street gangs in those statistics? Because every gang member in America is a terrorists. If those numbers were entered in I'm guessing the stats would shift

Not according to the FBI.

According to a memo produced by the FBI's Terrorist Research and Analytical Center in 1994, domestic terrorism was defined as "the unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

So no. The fact is domestic terrorists are usually white extremists. Don't try to deflect.

It happened here in Knoxville not too long ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

Jim David Adkisson (born June 25, 1950)[6] was a former private in the United States Army from 1974 to 1977. After his arrest, he said that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals.[2][7][8] According to an affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008:

 

[crusse10]

And also like I said, if a racial slur was directed at them, that doesn't mean there's an issue with racism at the University. It means one person said a word someone found offensive. That's a consequence of being an adult and living in a free society. People say offensive things. Offense is always taken and never given. If a single word makes you feel unsafe, you might not have matured enough for university yet.

And you still fail to take that instance and build on it. If a major black group is verbally assaulted and the university says nothing, they are telling the entire black community that they, the administration, just don't care. It's like the Kanye line with Bush, but for real this time. It's not about the action that you're responding to (the yelling of that word at them), it's the appearance that you don't care which can lead to more issues. If he had come out when those issues happened and say that he's appalled that students at Missouri would still be hurling racial slurs at others in 2015, these players aren't on strike.