Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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armchair said:
Dear Coach: Please don't make comments like this.

I would say that it's harder to rebuild in the SEC than any other conference in the country--but a MILE, just look at our schedule combined with the fact that we must get three-quarters of our players from other states, and I wish Jones had just said that.
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That may have been worse............ I think he should have said the roster is never perfect but we have the resources to go after the best student athletes in the nation and we will be relentless in bringing the best to the University of Tennessee. We will have a team the Volunteer nation can be proud of and a team that expects to win every game we play. Next on the list is South Carolina.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Based on what you've said in this thread (and others), you're one of those many folks who didn't predict Florida's success as well as DAJ did. So maybe your "common sense" isn't as good as you think it is.
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Did you bring up DAJ when we talked about the losses to Arkansas, Vandy, Missouri twice and I think he had Oklahoma as even and we were at home? I believe we should have won all of those games according to the predictions.
 
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daj2576 said:
Florida's recruiting has been pretty stable over the past decade, and averages right at top 10 in the country. In fact, given the talent within 200 miles of the campus, this is to be expected. The idea that the Gator's would be down, or in a rebuild, is simply a misunderstanding of how bad (and rare) a coach like Muschamp really is (Dooley is also an example). You could put about 100 of the 120+ division one coaches in the captain's chair in Gainesville, and they would have the same results you are seeing this year.
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Sorry Daj, just don't believe it.

Also, on another note, if Tennessee was 7-1 right now, with the same exact roster and circumstances that CHM is dealing with, and was sitting in the SECEast catbird seat and was guaranteed a spot in the SECCG game right now, in year 3 mind you.....and I came on here and said "meh...nothing to see here, because any one of at least 100 other college football coaches in the country could do what Jones is doing right now".......Oh my dear God and all that is holy the unmitigated ish I would catch. I'd be called every name in the book, be told I wasn't a real fan, be told to go root for any other team in the country other than Tennessee.
 
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driscokid said:
Make no mistake- Florida was not a rebuild. They had 10 years of top recruiting classes. Muschamp just didn't know how to be a head coach
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He was undefeated against our Vols and talked s#!t while doing it.
 
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KBVol said:
Sorry Daj, just don't believe it.

Also, on another note, if Tennessee was 7-1 right now, with the same exact roster and circumstances that CHM is dealing with, and was sitting in the SECEast catbird seat and was guaranteed a spot in the SECCG game right now, in year 3 mind you.....and I came on here and said "meh...nothing to see here, because any one of at least 100 other college football coaches in the country could do what Jones is doing right now".......Oh my dear God and all that is holy the unmitigated ish I would catch. I'd be called every name in the book, be told I wasn't a real fan, be told to go root for any other team in the country other than Tennessee.
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The bottom line is, UF was nowhere near in as bad shape as UT has been. Its not even a fair comparison.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The bottom line is, UF was nowhere near in as bad shape as UT has been. Its not even a fair comparison.
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They were not as bad as Tennessee was three years ago but we were the more talented team this year. In year one we lost to a pathetic 4-8 Florida team and should have lost with the team we had. I agree Florida did not have as far to go as Tennessee did but Tennessee was closer this year than Florida was in my opinion. That roster they have is not good when you look at who is on the field and look past the prior recruiting rankings.
 
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We have been through hell and are just now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. There really is no comparison for what Kiffin did to this program.

IMO, all the comparisons to other program rebuilds really don't apply here. I say give Butch a couple of more years at this point. We may not win the east next year or in 2017 but I think we should wait and see what the body of work looks like before we judge too harshly.

JMO
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Yeah whatever
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When you were left with no talent and took the job because no one else wanted it, he is talking about NC's, so he is ahead of schedule because we will win it all in 17, so he will be a year ahead of schedule, i know most don't won't to hear that but if you got SEC FOOTBALL IQ you would know this with him not have to tell you, when your both Line's are mac player's at best when you take the job and you have hardly no talent it will take that long to become the TENNESSEE team of the 90's again, you win Championships in the trenches, so he know what he is talking about, before the fans panic that don't mean you can't win 10 or even 11 game's a year in year 4 or 5 he is talking about competing every year for a playoff spot and he is well on his way of doing this for BIG ORANGE NATION, there will be a few bumps on the way like the 2 we had this year and there will be another bump in the road before we get back to the glory days of the 90's again but we are on our way.:rock:
 
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thebjd said:
Did you bring up DAJ when we talked about the losses to Arkansas, Vandy, Missouri twice and I think he had Oklahoma as even and we were at home? I believe we should have won all of those games according to the predictions.
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Well, I wasn't yet a VolNation denizen when we lost to Vandy and Mizzou. I didn't even know that DAJ existed back then. Or these boards. So...nope. :)

But Arkansas is absolutely a letdown. No two ways about it. By every measure, we should've beaten those guys. We had more talent (documented), better coaches (my opinion), home field advantage...yeah, we shoulda won that. Every once in a while a game just totally gets away from you. This year, I'm hoping that was the only one of those for the Vols.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The bottom line is, UF was nowhere near in as bad shape as UT has been. Its not even a fair comparison.
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Flordia haS DL NFL TALENT EVERYWHERE AND I DON'T MEAN FRESHMEN, they got lucky in a couple of games and no there roster is nowhere the level of talent we were when Jones took over we were below Vandy and Kentucky in talent we were a joke when coach took the job, the gators have had the talent musrat couldn't do anything with it.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Flordia haS DL NFL TALENT EVERYWHERE AND I DON'T MEAN FRESHMEN, they got lucky in a couple of games and no there roster is nowhere the level of talent we were when Jones took over we were below Vandy and Kentucky in talent we were a joke when coach took the job, the gators have had the talent musrat couldn't do anything with it.
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Who have they gotten lucky against? We're the only team they needed to come from behind to beat. Were they lucky in keeping it within a TD to the #2 team on the road in one of the most hostile environments in CFB?
 
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We are still one of the youngest teams in the country right now, starter's that is, plus the injuries when we run the table then what is the fans going to pick even saint nick blows games every year, because you know they are supposed to win them all so saint nick should be fired with the top recruiting classes every year and losing to ole miss, why dont they run saint nick out of town.:eek:lol:
 
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ntxVOL said:
We have been through hell and are just now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. There really is no comparison for what Kiffin did to this program.

IMO, all the comparisons to other program rebuilds really don't apply here. I say give Butch a couple of more years at this point. We may not win the east next year or in 2017 but I think we should wait and see what the body of work looks like before we judge too harshly.

JMO
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I'm by no means a Kiffin fan at all. But he was the least of our problems. He had a hand in setting us back but it started with Fulmer,Kiffin did his damage but Dooley was the one that finished us off and set us back years.
 
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terrypedigo said:
We are still one of the youngest teams in the country right now, starter's that is, plus the injuries when we run the table then what is the fans going to pick even saint nick blows games every year, because you know they are supposed to win them all so saint nick should be fired with the top recruiting classes every year and losing to ole miss, why dont they run saint nick out of town.:eek:lol:
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No we're not, stop saying this. Based on methods for determining youth were mid 60's to low 80's, depending on the criteria. UF and OU are younger than us in every criteria. So carry on. Butch could sell you a gallon of saltwater in the desert.
 
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it (almost) NEVER takes 6-7 years to build a program at a school like tennessee...if you are going to be successful at a historical top 10-15 school, you have things rolling by year 3...and if you disagree, show me some examples in the last 40 yrs of coaches whose tenure at a top 10-15 university could be described as "successful", and yet were NOT rolling by yr 3...can't think of anyone besides majors, and that is an arguable example. Maybe I am missing a couple, but the rarity proves my point
 
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Well he won't get 6 or 7 years if he goes butt tight conservative in all the meaningful early games again.. A couple of those OU and UF were total choke jobs..
 
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Everyone has their own interpretation of Butches comments, IMO years three to four you should be in competition for division and/or conference titles. If he is talking about becoming a perennial playoff favorite I can see possibly six years to be in the conversation.
 
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PowerSweep said:
it (almost) NEVER takes 6-7 years to build a program at a school like tennessee...if you are going to be successful at a historical top 10-15 school, you have things rolling by year 3...and if you disagree, show me some examples in the last 40 yrs of coaches whose tenure at a top 10-15 university could be described as "successful", and yet were NOT rolling by yr 3...can't think of anyone besides majors, and that is an arguable example. Maybe I am missing a couple, but the rarity proves my point
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Dantonio at Mich St. Seems to be more of a exception than a rule though.

The Tennessee deal was a dumpster fire. He's getting 4 years regardless and maybe more if he doesn't choke all the important games away next year. Hard to imagine it would happen that way again. I think the guy is here for a minute and next year will be a good one. How good is the question..
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I'm by no means a Kiffin fan at all. But he was the least of our problems. He had a hand in setting us back but it started with Fulmer,Kiffin did his damage but Dooley was the one that finished us off and set us back years.
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I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree. Our downfall began with Kiffin slithering away in the night, just 3 weeks before NSD. We would never have hired Dooley if not for that. He left us with just a few days to find a coach and few choices. We had little choice but to give that coach 3 yrs.

FYI, For the 2010 season we had less than 80 scholarship players after Dooley put 3 walk-ons on scholarship.
 
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No way in hell does any coach get 6 years at UT. In this day and age it will NEVER happen.
 
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Cartervol said:
Dantonio at Mich St. Seems to be more of a exception than a rule though.

The Tennessee deal was a dumpster fire. He's getting 4 years regardless and maybe more if he doesn't choke all the important games away next year. Hard to imagine it would happen that way again. I think the guy is here for a minute and next year will be a good one. How good is the question..
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I agree he has done a great job but sparty aint a historically at that level...ut's peers in the top 15(I would rank them 10th) are bama ga fla okla texas usc nd ohst mich pennst fsu nebraska..maybe throw aub lsu mia in there if you wanna be generous
 
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