Are Old Testament Stories Allegory or Literal History?

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What if being Christian is much like being Gay?

It's innate? What if you feel it's where or what you are? Who are we to judge? Why are we not suppose to accept them?

What if being Christian is innate?
 
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Obsessed said:
I can't "multi quote" nor do I care too.

Your "response" was typical. No substance. You offered nothing.
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That's a shame.

You don't want Christianity taught in schools.
Correct?
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It depends on what you mean. Christianity and its effects on the world are already discussed in history, social studies, etc. Just like Judaism, Islam, and on and on. They are taught in an academic context.

If you mean Christianity being taught like you're in church(assigning it objective truth), why would I want that taught in public schools? Do you want Islam taught in schools in this fashion?
 
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Obsessed said:
What if being Christian is much like being Gay?

It's innate? What if you feel it's where or what you are? Who are we to judge? Why are we not suppose to accept them?

What if being Christian is innate?
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There is actually a solid theory that religiosity is in fact, at least somewhat, influenced by genetics(as most things are). We probably have a "belief" gene which influences how susceptible we are to faith based or otherwise extraordinary claims.

I know you're throwing a little tantrum, but I thought you might be interested in that tidbit in any case.
 
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n_huffhines said:
WTF happened here?
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/32T56YC-X1I?start=509[/youtube]

Ran across this and thought of this thread. This man is a scholar. It's a travesty that this man isn't in the classroom imparting his wisdom and dispelling falsehoods to our future generations.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/32T56YC-X1I?start=509[/youtube]

Ran across this and thought of this thread. This man is a scholar. It's a travesty that this man isn't in the classroom imparting his wisdom and dispelling falsehoods to our future generations.
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Ease up. Allow them to have all avenues of education. Let them learn. Let them decide. Who are you and I to decide their curriculum?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Yes, but that's not what he said in the post you responded to. You're strawmaning him.
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Did I? I think you moved the goal posts when you added theology and world religion to bible history in your question to me. The former two weren't part of his argument.

Bible study belongs in Sunday school, classes on theology and world religions should be taught as electives.
 
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Obsessed said:
What if being Christian is much like being Gay?

It's innate? What if you feel it's where or what you are? Who are we to judge? Why are we not suppose to accept them?

What if being Christian is innate?
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Would being Christian still be innate if one grew up in Iran, or a Amazon jungle tribe?
 
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Gramps said:
Be gay in Iran be beheaded.
That kinds slows the growth of homosexuality in Iran.
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I wonder if they treat Christians the same way?

I believe that if that was done that way toward gays and Christians, then both would stay in the closet.

We wouldn't know what was/is innate to them....
 
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Gramps said:
Be gay in Iran be beheaded.
That kinds slows the growth of homosexuality in Iran.
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I don't think that's how it works. Unless you mean that gay beheadings slow the growth of people who would otherwise be openly gay.
 
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I don't have a problem answering it. You're a weird guy for asking it. Hence, WTF

Of course there are gay people in Iran.
 
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rjd970 said:
As an "objective" source of morality, the Bible falls at almost the bottom of the pile. At the very least, the OT is about as bad as it gets.

The problem with your sarcasm here is you are failing to recognize just how many people do read this texts literally, or even selectively literally. Sure, we can ignore texts on how to beat your kids in Leviticus...we can even explain it away by saying it was appropriate for the time, or it is allegory, or it doesn't apply now...or whatever. There are good parts of the Bible to stand up, absolutely. And there are parts that any decent person would ignore. But in doing so, one is only taking into account modern normalities on human rights and other areas of discourse that are contrary to what is written and believed as God's word. Every advance in science, every 21st century view on human rights...now must be wrestled with. I don't expect you or anybody else to actually admit that these 21st century views have nothing to do with God and they are contrary to the Bible, yet, here we are trying to make the two compatible.

There are some countries in the Islamic world that are Exhibit A on what happens when society doesn't force a check on barbaric beliefs. Lets not sit here a pretend that if stoning a girl that is not a virgin on her wedding night was normally accepted in today's society it would not happen because there is a sophisticated reading of Leviticus or philosophical moral reason that wouldn't allow it.

I'm sorry, but that is the simple truth. And round about discourse on objective morality and I can't say its wrong and whatever else...is just smoke screen because you don't want to admit it....or you really and truly can't see it.
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Who said the Bible was an objective source for morality? Not me.
So, no point in discussing the rest.
 
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