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RockyTopInBham said:
S Jones, V Perry, V Boulware, D Richmond, D Taylor, A Butcher, R Gaulden, T Townsend, R Lovingood, L Toser

A couple maybes depending on Medical/if they want-
C Maggitt, M Jackson, Q Sapp, J Young
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Nice list! :good!:

I also had D. Miller (played in first 2 games) & Picou (game #3).
 
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Dust10 said:
I'd say you always root for whichever path gets Tennessee to the championship game until the math is no longer possible.
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Yeah, I guess you're right.

Here's a question. Who takes Pig spot next year? Personally I think Vincent Perry surprises us and plays a nice roll. IIRC he was having a solid camp before he got hurt.
 
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Catbone said:
Yeah, I guess you're right.

Here's a question. Who takes Pig spot next year? Personally I think Vincent Perry surprises us and plays a nice roll. IIRC he was having a solid camp before he got hurt.
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So you are saying Perry will show flashes of brilliance and clutch play only to make questionable life decisions that ruins it? Hope not!
 
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I think I want UF to win for recruiting purposes. I don't think we're competing with them for many guys, but if UGA tanks then I think that puts us in a better position for Davis, Warrior and especially Hardman.
 
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Lee Sterling at paramount sports just said that UF Michigan and Houston having immediate success with a new coach is going to cause one of the biggest coaching carousels ever. Said he could see as many as 30 coaching changes being made.

Sounds a little high, but interesting point about those three schools having immediate turnarounds.
 
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WarMachine said:
Well, hmm, given your screen name, you must be Josh's Dad. (jk) Despite your bias, being inaccurate for 1/2 of a football game is not excusable just because you are nervous. There was a play, I think in the GA game where he pump-faked to the RB or a receiver in the flat, then passed long down the sideline and threw the ball 5-10 yards past the intended receiver. The 2nd TD to Kamara was almost incomplete because of inaccuracy.

Numbers for the UGA game: 25/42 = 59% (not accurate)
Numbers for the Bama game: 13/22 = 59% (not accurate)

So, MY question is that if Dormady or Jones can pass at a rate more like 70-75% completions, would you bench Dobbs?
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Well then that is your problem. You look at numbers. I watch the games. Usually 2-3 times. Watching the game a second time without the angst of gameday is a wonderful thing. You can actually analyse what happens in the game rather than just looking at the box score.
 
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WarMachine said:
Even if we had an improved OLine next year that was top-4 in the SEC (just hypothetical, obviously)?

I do agree that his legs makes the game much harder for defenses, but it's hard to see the difference when we can't make the defense pay through the air.
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Are there really plays out there Dobbs isn't making? The reason I don't agree with y'all that Dobbs is the problem is I've not seen plays where receivers are running open and Dobbs is missing them.

He struggled in the 1st half against Georgia. But from that point on, the only pass Josh missed was a potential TD pass to Josh Malone on the final drive before halftime against Alabama. He three to the flat that was covered when he coulda hit Malone on the corner route that was wide open. Gary Danielson and Verne made a point of that. Other than for that play, I have not heard the commentators talking about wide open receivers Dobbs is missing.

Now I obviously don't have the coach's tape. But in terms of the TV broadcast, there was not alot of open receivers Dobbs has been missing. There were also not a lot of bad throws where the receiver would've caught the pass if it was better thrown. Most of Dobbs incompletions against Alabama were from pressure or him trying to fit the ball into tight spaces.

I've watched almost every game 2-3 times and I've not seen this chronic inaccuracy that you guys harp on. Now I'm not saying he's Peyton Manning but his passing ability is more than adequate to win a SEC championship.
 
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WarMachine said:
Well, hmm, given your screen name, you must be Josh's Dad. (jk) Despite your bias, being inaccurate for 1/2 of a football game is not excusable just because you are nervous. There was a play, I think in the GA game where he pump-faked to the RB or a receiver in the flat, then passed long down the sideline and threw the ball 5-10 yards past the intended receiver. The 2nd TD to Kamara was almost incomplete because of inaccuracy.

Numbers for the UGA game: 25/42 = 59% (not accurate)
Numbers for the Bama game: 13/22 = 59% (not accurate)

So, MY question is that if Dormady or Jones can pass at a rate more like 70-75% completions, would you bench Dobbs?
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So if you are talking about completion% being such a huge factor then you might want to consider these facts:

Tee Martin's best year- 57% completion in 1998 and 55.7 for his career.

Josh Dobbs- so far in 2015, 58.1% and 60% for his career.

Now, can we say that Tee was the better passer? Maybe. Better deep ball? Absolutely. Better overall passer? Not according to the numbers. It gets even worse for Tee when you take the teams into consideration.
 
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jave36 said:
Lee Sterling at paramount sports just said that UF Michigan and Houston having immediate success with a new coach is going to cause one of the biggest coaching carousels ever. Said he could see as many as 30 coaching changes being made.

Sounds a little high, but interesting point about those three schools having immediate turnarounds.
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I'd be slightly nervous if we had a coach that started hot. Hoke started hot at Michigan, Kiffin at USC, Malzahn and Chizic at Auburn. Hot starts mean nothing for long term success.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Are there really plays out there Dobbs isn't making?
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Yes, he's missed more than a few open receivers, he doesn't seem to be able to put any touch on the ball and I've seen quite a few receptions that could've turned into much more with a more accurate throw.

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I've not seen plays where receivers are running open and Dobbs is missing them.
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I have and I'm not watching these games 2 and 3 times..
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Stewart made a catch because Martin was falling down. If he doesn't lose his feet it's batted away. Just missed it. Ridley just straight up made a play on Sutton

I don't know what it is but our corners fall down at the wrong time alot
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I knew they fell down but I thought the Bama receivers played larger than our guys.
 
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jave36 said:
Lee Sterling at paramount sports just said that UF Michigan and Houston having immediate success with a new coach is going to cause one of the biggest coaching carousels ever. Said he could see as many as 30 coaching changes being made.

Sounds a little high, but interesting point about those three schools having immediate turnarounds.
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I honestly don't think winning in the first year is actually indicative of how good the coach will turn out. Sumlin, Muschamp and Malzhan all won the first year and have done progressively worse.

I prefer what Saban and yes, Butch Jones do--building the team from ground up with top recruits and establishing a winning culture.. Butch may be taking a bit longer but we see the team is obviously improving.
 
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Evan Berry and Trevor Daniel need big games in these last 5. They have very good chances of being All-Americans this year.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So if you are talking about completion% being such a huge factor then you might want to consider these facts:

Tee Martin's best year- 57% completion in 1998 and 55.7 for his career.

Josh Dobbs- so far in 2015, 58.1% and 60% for his career.

Now, can we say that Tee was the better passer? Maybe. Better deep ball? Absolutely. Better overall passer? Not according to the numbers. It gets even worse for Tee when you take the teams into consideration.
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Tee was a very inaccurate passer. He threw the deep ball very well, had a penchant for coming up with a big play at times in '98, and had the great game with 23 straight completions vs SCar....but he was a poor passer.
 
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