Ukraine II: The Fight Against Russian Aggression

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You can pay for a lot of bombings with a $10 oil price increase.

Off topic, but I'm interested in the immigration to Tennessee post here.

From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century

For 1950 it's Russia. Eh?

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Where did all the Russians go in Tennessee?
 
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Velo Vol said:
I didn't see there was a Moscow.



Not much oil in Syria but conflict is also in Iraq. And Saudi and Iran are also involved.
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which has been on going. The point I got from the OP was how the escalation of the fighting with Russia now part of it, would effect the cost. and considering that Iranian sanctions are gone we might see an uptick in production. jmo
 
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MH17 Ukraine disaster: Dutch Safety Board blames missile - BBC News

missile took it down from the ground. no air to air, or bullets, like some of the RT stories. :whistle: report doesn't lay blame but says the airplane was downed by a missile from a BUK system, no other possibility. some interesting things in the article. apparently 160 flights over that area that day. which seems outrageous, but what do I know.
 
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Turkey demonstrating true NATO values by banning media coverage of the peace march bombings.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Turkey demonstrating true NATO values by banning media coverage of the peace march bombings.
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Over the last decade, Turkey and Hungary have drifted further and further away from the Western liberal values that NATO purports to defend. The Erdogan and Orban governments possess more in common with Putin's than they do with any Western democracy.

I don't know what the protocol is for booting a member of the alliance, but, should it ever come to fruition, my guess is one of these two countries (provided each stays on its current trajectory) will be the first candidate. What's even more likely is that they'd initiate their own removal from the alliance, although I think Turkey will cling to it for quite a while. Even though the current government of Turkey has very little in common with its NATO peers, it's the only member in a very bad neighborhood. I doubt they'd be willing to give up membership anytime soon as such. Hungary, on the other hand, could become non-aligned at any time, especially if the Jobbik party gains more traction.
 
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I nominate Turkey among the NATO nations we're most likely to go to war over. We're almost there right now.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I nominate Turkey among the NATO nations we're most likely to go to war over. We're almost there right now.
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The irony of NATO fighting a large-scale regional war for the sake of Turkey, a government that has had much more in common with Putin the past decade or so, would be palpable. But I think you're right. I'd say only the Baltics (if Russia was to try its hybrid warfare there, which is unlikely) and Turkey risk drawing NATO into larger regional wars. While the Baltics are a stretch, Turkey becoming part of the Syrian conflict or even part of a Russo-Turkish conflict and then drawing in NATO is not out of the realm of possibility. The odds are against it, but it is certainly much more likely at this point in time than a Balto-Russo conflict.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Turkey demonstrating true NATO values by banning media coverage of the peace march bombings.
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Turkish government tries to repress a growing wave of protests - World Socialist Web Site

On Tuesday, the Istanbul Governor’s Office refused to grant permission for the proposed march from Sirkeci and Cerrahpaşa Medical Faculty to Beyazıt Square, saying, “The governorate does not find the planned march and rally appropriate, regarding the sensitivity of the present period.” In other parts of Istanbul, riot police brutally attacked those who defied the ban.
Also on Wednesday, an Ankara court issued a broad media ban on reporting on the Ankara suicide bomber investigation. According to Hürriyet Daily News, the ban includes “all kinds of news, interviews, criticism and similar publications in print, visual, social media and all kinds of media on the Internet.”
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Wouldn't expect this from a free western country. Erdogan being a US instrument, will be interesting how things evolve...
 
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And when he said, "Erdogan is a US instrument," the audience burst out in laughter.

The comedian had made his best joke of the night.
 
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Speaking of NATO:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ate-it-but-nato-may-be-about-to-expand-again/

The Baltic expansion was unnecessary and unwarranted. I don't, however, particularly see how bringing in Montenegro would be either good or bad, despite arguments for and against. It doesn't really add anything to the alliance and it would only further agitate Russia (mostly out of penis envy) but perhaps it would be a bulwark for ensuring extended Balkan security, since more and more Balkan states have become NATO members in what tends to be Europe's most unsettled region historically.

While I don't think it a good idea to bring in any more member states on its borders, at some point Russia needs to stop whining about every country that hopes to join NATO in Eastern and Southeastern Europe and let them actually exercise their sovereign rights. Sometimes people just want to be where the economic action is, and it ain't in Russia.
 
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johndoevol said:
volprof, you may not understand it, but you are a tool of the bad guys.
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Is this one of those passive aggressive things like religious people sometimes do? Like the "you don't realize it now, but when you're in hell you will" sort of things?
 
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volprof said:
Is this one of those passive aggressive things like religious people sometimes do? Like the "you don't realize it now, but when you're in hell you will" sort of things?
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i think he is a truther, among other things.
 
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LouderVol said:
i think he is a truther, among other things.
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I think he's the same guy that said I was a communist or socialist (can't remember which) a year or so ago and actually meant it. He comes in here so infrequently though, that I can never recall for certain if he's that guy.

Anyhow, nope, still not a socialist. I don't plan on voting for Bernie, although I do think he's well-intentioned (just very misguided). At the moment, my vote would go for either John Kasich or for Rand Paul.

Something tells me, however, that I won't have to trouble myself with casting either of those votes.
 
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LouderVol said:
well loved guys.
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Yeah, a lot like Assad, Kim, and Gaddafi and Hussein before them, the people love them all so much they can't help but keep voting them in.

Why can't you greedy, stupid, misinformed Western sheep figure this out?
 
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