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GoBigOrange86 said:
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PKT_VOL said:
Nope. I said nothing of the sort.

Clearly, CBJ is seen as somewhat of a savior of this program (flipping a terrible roster) and someone who can within the next 2 year get us competing for SEC and national championships.

My point is that if we get blown out by OU, taken with the UF debacle last year, the proverbial writing on the wall would be there for our fanbase that CBJ is much closer to a Richt or Fulmer (once the rest of the SEC caught up) than a Saban, Malzahn, Pete Carroll, Meyer, Bryant, Neyland, etc.

Denying such would be akin to being a UGA fan who can't bring themselves to admit that Richt will never get the job done despite all the tools in the world.

Having said all that, our fanbase should understand more than anyone that firing a Fulmer, despite their faults, doesn't guarantee a brighter future.
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Matzahn went 7-5 last year. I know he won a Natty but don't put him up there with Neyland, Bryant, and I hate to say it but Saban.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Hey Catbone,

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"Change Your Mind " i like its message.
Also check out Keb' Mo: "Love Yourself "

Never settle for who you are NOW if you're not happy with what you see in the mirror.

If you are happy with who you are, then don't change ...

Just my two cents :salute:
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JacketVol said:
Most reasonable fans would wait for it to actually happen before sweating it out. Get the crappy thoughts out. Judge the coach after the season this year and not after one game regardless. If we blow OU out and then go 6-6, would that mean they were the best coaches of all time because we blew them out. You take them one at a time and then you judge the entire body of work. Wait till year 3 is DONE then decide. That would actually be prudent.
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I posted that in response to posters saying the OU game would in no way affect their outlook on Jones.

I merely posted a conditional situation (key phrase there), that if true, would certainly change my thoughts about CBJ and should also breed healthy skepticism from reasonable fans.

As I also posted, I don't expect the conditional situation to come to fruition. I have stated that plainly.

No "sweating it" or angst here. Merely injecting some realism into "this game is irrelevant to CBJ" crowd.
 
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I would much prefer we take it one game at a time and enjoy the ride. Maybe speculate on the adjustments and game plan to beat Okie instead of UF and the rest of the schedule. But each to his/her own.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
UGA fans have thought the same for awhile yet are shocked and amazed when they **** the bed.

There is no doubt that recruiting will somewhat cover coaching deficiencies. We have seen that in our program as well.
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Not picking on you. I think this is some good discussion but though I hate to say it, Georgia was one play away from playing ND for the NC and I think would've won it in easy fashion. They have been right there and one play could've changed the perception even after all these years.
 
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JacketVol said:
Matzahn went 7-5 last year. I know he won a Natty but don't put him up there with Neyland, Bryant, and I hate to say it but Saban.
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He was clearly the brains behind the 2010 team. He took Auburn back to the national championship after a bad season in his absence. In an age of so much parity, that's damn impressive.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Would you prefer I use the adjectives "gameday" or "x's and o's" to further describe what I meant by "coach"?

I figured by compartmentalizing coach, from recruiting and ambassador of our program (I include off the field issues in that too by the way), I implied such. My apologies if I confused some.
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Yes...when you say "not a good coach" we tend to overreact. :)
 
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I hope Nick starts the Official Oklahoma Game thread so I can post my outlandish sunshine pumping prediction for how badly we are gonna pummel OK!
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I posted that in response to posters saying the OU game would in no way affect their outlook on Jones.

I merely posted a conditional situation (key phrase there), that if true, would certainly change my thoughts about CBJ and should also breed healthy skepticism from reasonable fans.

As I also posted, I don't expect the conditional situation to come to fruition. I have stated that plainly.

No "sweating it" or angst here. Merely injecting some realism into "this game is irrelevant to CBJ" crowd.
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Every game is relevant. Just believe you have to put them all in the equation when you judge. We may beat Florida and OU and then lay a big egg against say a SC. It is hard to get young kids pumped for every game. I see where you have posted what you were really trying to say and I get it. I have seen great x and o coaches who could not get the talent and I have some x and o questions myself with this staff. However, I want the Jimmies and Joes before the other stuff because your chances are nil if you can't do that.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I don't understand the sentiment that this game has no bearing on Jones.

If we get blown out or dominated wire to wire, Jones simply isn't the coach many of us hope he is. The proverbial writing will be on the wall; great recruiter and ambassador of our program but not a good coach.
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I remember when Saban was in his 2nd or 3rd year at LSU. UAB came to town and beat them at home.

Didn't seem to affect his career too much.:good!:
 
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JacketVol said:
Not picking on you. I think this is some good discussion but though I hate to say it, Georgia was one play away from playing ND for the NC and I think would've won it in easy fashion. They have been right there and one play could've changed the perception even after all these years.
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That the problem. After more than a decade in Athens, sitting on a goldmine of in-state talent, with a down UT and GT, he should have been more than "a play away", once.

Btw, I attend more GT games than UT games.
 
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Has anyone bought a UT jersey from Aliexpress? Looking to get a cheap one and heard thats the place to do it
 
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PKT_VOL said:
He was clearly the brains behind the 2010 team. He took Auburn back to the national championship after a bad season in his absence. In an age of so much parity, that's damn impressive.
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Did not say it wasn't but I am not putting him in the same class as the top coaches ever. He has a ton more to prove and last year did not help. How many down years like 7-5 did Saban, Bryant, and Bowden and guys like them had after establishing programs. Then you put him with the General. :no:
 
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JacketVol said:
Every game is relevant. Just believe you have to put them all in the equation when you judge. We may beat Florida and OU and then lay a big egg against say a SC. It is hard to get young kids pumped for every game. I see where you have posted what you were really trying to say and I get it. I have seen great x and o coaches who could not get the talent and I have some x and o questions myself with this staff. However, I want the Jimmies and Joes before the other stuff because your chances are nil if you can't do that.
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I agree in general. In my opinion, and I think most of the board would agree, we finally have the Jimmies and Joe's to complete/not get blown out at home this year.

That creates a problem for this staff if it happens, especially considering UF last year. It becomes a pattern; not unlike Richt.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
That the problem. After more than a decade in Athens, sitting on a goldmine of in-state talent, with a down UT and GT, he should have been more than "a play away", once.

Btw, I attend more GT games than UT games.
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I am the other way around. Native of Atlanta who married into a Volunteer family. Had to take care of my wife after surgery this past week but will be loud and strong Saturday in Neyland.
 
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