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therealUT said:
Slavery is slavery. Further, any time a society/community receives a very direct economic benefit from prosecuting crimes you are going to incentivize the following:

1. More focus on enforcement and prosecution of those crimes whose punishments lead to a direct economic benefit and less focus on the enforcement and prosecution of other crimes.

2. More laws on the books, more outlawed behavior, and more punishments that are direct economic benefits to the community.

It's a terrible ****ing idea, and the fact that it used to occur does not in any way imply that it was ever a good idea.
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OK, then lock his azz up. I have no problem with that either. The amount of the money stolen is not the issue here.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Awfully bleeding heart of you.
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Not really bleeding heart sir. A bleeding heart would want the state to provide counseling for the victim as well as the perp to get tham back in touch with their feelings. I am making the argument that there was more harm inflicted than just the loss of $5. If 2 guys with hoodies and ski masks walk into your bar with shotguns point them in your face and proceed to clean out your till and high dollar liquor cabinet, would just seeing the return of said merchandise and cash make you whole? Can you honestly say that staring down the bidness end of a loaded shotgun would not affect you? If you can, then you are one strong individual.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
OK, then lock his azz up. I have no problem with that either. The amount of the money stolen is not the issue here.
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Lock him up for pretty theft? Why not have him repay the store the $5 plus another $100? Or, have him repay the $5 and then pubicly spank him? There are more creative solutions than merely lock him up or have him pay the state.
 
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therealUT said:
Lock him up for pretty theft? Why not have him repay the store the $5 plus another $100? Or, have him repay the $5 and then pubicly spank him? There are more creative solutions than merely lock him up or have him pay the state.
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I disagree with your notion that having him work off his crime is a bad thing because he's not paying the state, he's paying a debt to the taxpayers. I can make the distinction. Have him pick up cigarette butts at highway intersections. Something. He'd just go steal the $100, so that's a waste of time and effort anyway.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I disagree with your notion that having him work off his crime is a bad thing because he's not paying the state, he's paying a debt to the taxpayers. I can make the distinction. Have him pick up cigarette butts at highway intersections. Something. He'd just go steal the $100, so that's a waste of time and effort anyway.
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What debt does he owe to the taxpayer? If taxpayers want law enforcement, then taxpayers ought to foot the bill. It's not the duty of the person who doesn't want the law to be enforced to pay for the enforcement.
 
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therealUT said:
It's not the duty of the person who doesn't want the law to be enforced to pay for the enforcement.
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Well of course they don't. But if criminals were forced to pay for their prosecution and incarceration or other "more creative" type punishments, then maybe recidivism might go down a little. Probably not, because there are very few felons that could check 'rocket surgeon' on an application. I see nothing wrong at all with making those that do a crime fiscally responsible for some of the costs they run up.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Well of course they don't. But if criminals were forced to pay for their prosecution and incarceration or other "more creative" type punishments, then maybe recidivism might go down a little. Probably not, because there are very few felons that could check 'rocket surgeon' on an application. I see nothing wrong at all with making those that do a crime fiscally responsible for some of the costs they run up.
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I see everything wrong with it, as it relieves the taxpayer of the burden of enforcing trivial crimes, which makes the cost-benefit analysis of adding new crimes to the books a bit skewed.

You want a service? Be willing to pay for it. It's that simple.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Not really bleeding heart sir. A bleeding heart would want the state to provide counseling for the victim as well as the perp to get tham back in touch with their feelings. I am making the argument that there was more harm inflicted than just the loss of $5. If 2 guys with hoodies and ski masks walk into your bar with shotguns point them in your face and proceed to clean out your till and high dollar liquor cabinet, would just seeing the return of said merchandise and cash make you whole? Can you honestly say that staring down the bidness end of a loaded shotgun would not affect you? If you can, then you are one strong individual.
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Really? He shoplifted a Snickers, a Lil Debbie zebra cake and a Mountain Dew. He didn't go in there waving a sawed off, throwing people to the ground and demanding the deposit bag.

A weekend (or two or three, whatever) of roadside clean up is a suitable punishment. The guy can't pay for $5 worth of groceries, what else are you wanting out of him?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Really? He shoplifted a Snickers, a Lil Debbie zebra cake and a Mountain Dew. He didn't go in there waving a sawed off, throwing people to the ground and demanding the deposit bag.

A weekend (or two or three, whatever) of roadside clean up is a suitable punishment. The guy can't pay for $5 worth of groceries, what else are you wanting out of him?
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This guy may not have been able to due to his medical condition but most shoplifters can pay for it but choose not too....he had also been busted for the same crime three times.....I wonder how many times he had stolen without getting caught....as a store owner I would be beyond pissed.
 
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volbeast33 said:
This guy may not have been able to due to his medical condition but most shoplifters can pay for it but choose not too....he had also been busted for the same crime three times.....I wonder how many times he had stolen without getting caught....as a store owner I would be beyond pissed.
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The multiple offenses may explain the trespassing charge.
 
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therealUT said:
Lock him up for pretty theft? Why not have him repay the store the $5 plus another $100? Or, have him repay the $5 and then pubicly spank him? There are more creative solutions than merely lock him up or have him pay the state.
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Why steal from another person in the first place?
 
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therealUT said:
Lock him up for pretty theft? Why not have him repay the store the $5 plus another $100? Or, have him repay the $5 and then pubicly spank him? There are more creative solutions than merely lock him up or have him pay the state.
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Because if it cost that guy a nickel to **** he'd have to hold it....

Now the public caning might be a viable alternative
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey, I'm anti-pedophile, guy breaking in your garage and all of that also... I can respect he's been to jail and all, but the things that annoy me are when cops use lethal force or abuse citizens on petty traffic stops, busted taillights, selling loose cigarettes, parking in handicapped spaces, eye rolling or flipping of a cop, illegal lanes changes and what not. Meanwhile counterfeiters, illegal aliens, white collar fraudsters, banksters and the like get a free pass.

There's a time and a place to use lethal force or having to choke somebody out. But the overwhelming majority of the time, these cops only have one play in their playbook...
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Really? He shoplifted a Snickers, a Lil Debbie zebra cake and a Mountain Dew. He didn't go in there waving a sawed off, throwing people to the ground and demanding the deposit bag.

A weekend (or two or three, whatever) of roadside clean up is a suitable punishment. The guy can't pay for $5 worth of groceries, what else are you wanting out of him?
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Uh, stop stealing maybe?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Murder. Everyone involved should be held accountable.
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They say there's a video that offers a better view, but it hasn't been released. It sure looks like they shot him with both of his hands in the air with distance between him and the officers. I think this one may be worse than the SC shooting where the cop shot the guy in the back as he was running away.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
They say there's a video that offers a better view, but it hasn't been released. It sure looks like they shot him with both of his hands in the air with distance between him and the officers. I think this one may be worse than the SC shooting where the cop shot the guy in the back as he was running away.
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Shiites a ****ing buzzkill..
 
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Carl Pickens said:
They say there's a video that offers a better view, but it hasn't been released. It sure looks like they shot him with both of his hands in the air with distance between him and the officers. I think this one may be worse than the SC shooting where the cop shot the guy in the back as he was running away.
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This video is bad enough. I hate seeing this type of stuff. It's horrible to watch. The guy clearly surrendered and was then shot.
 
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MercyPercy said:
inb4 volbeast says he could have been about to cast a level 64 fireball spell with his hands in the air like that.

btw, paid administrative leave for those murderers. When do citizens get that kind of benefit of the doubt?
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Jerry Lawler was pretty good with those sneaky fire balls
 
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