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Here's one from moments before where you can see his hands raised just to left of the security guards head.

The guy was not resisting. Violence wasn't necessary. It's crazy that you guys can't see that.
 

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Cdywolfe said:
Here's one from moments before where you can see his hands raised just to left of the security guards head.

The guy was not resisting. Violence wasn't necessary. It's crazy that you guys can't see that.
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There is a portion of the video where no one can see what happens so he may have touched the cop then.... The violence as you call it is the move the cops are taught and you see in most of these videos where the cop takes the guy to the ground to secure arrest.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Jesus... I can't say why I'm bothering as you will either ignore blatent video evidence or perform the most insane mental backflips so you can find a way to rationalize it but here we go I suppose.
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There is a portion of the video where no one can see what happens so he may have touched the cop then.... The violence as you call it is the move the cops are taught and you see in most of these videos where the cop takes the guy to the ground to secure arrest.
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And you didn't disappoint. I give it a solid 9.

So what you're saying is we're okay with a cop aggressively taking an old man to the pavement as he was both walking away and raising his hands (the universal sign of surrender) because he may have touched the cop in one of those few seconds he wasn't viewable? That makes a ton of sense.

"Listen guys... He's probably some evil genius who was able to calculate the camera angle and get a few quick jabs in the exact instance he's not visible. Cop is totally justified."

The fact that they trained him to do that is great and all but it bares absolutely no relevance to the discussion of either its necessity or its morality. Theyve trained him to do a lot of things.
 
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Also... There's two videos of the incident. The other appears to have been taken from inside the restaurant, maybe the bar. In fact, those screenshots I posted are from the second video. It helps because after watching only the first one (in the article I originally posted), I couldn't really tell that he had stopped and was putting his hands up. That's far more visible in the second one.

Regardless, I haven't watched them side by side or anything, but they're taken from completely different vantage points. I'm betting that between the two, you can see the guy the entire time.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
And you didn't disappoint. I give it a solid 9.

So what you're saying is we're okay with a cop aggressively taking an old man to the pavement as he was both walking away and raising his hands (the universal sign of surrender) because he may have touched the cop in one of those few seconds he wasn't viewable? That makes a ton of sense.

"Listen guys... He's probably some evil genius who was able to calculate the camera angle and get a few quick jabs in the exact instance he's not visible. Cop is totally justified."

The fact that they trained him to do that is great and all but it bares absolutely no relevance to the discussion of either its necessity or its morality. Theyve trained him to do a lot of things.
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How can you come to any of those conclusions? International sign of surrender? You cant tell he was giving up and walking away? I have watched every video angle that I could find and their is no video that you can tell exactly what happened. Im pretty sure that the cop would rather the guy just leave like he asked instead of having to do a bunch of paperwork back at the precinct. You are calling the restaurant guys liars when there is absolutely no way that you can be sure what happened. The take down move is obviously what officers are taught to secure a suspect in the safest manner for the officer and the suspect. You can argue that the police should use a different procedure but this cop did his job.
 
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volbeast33 said:
How can you come to any of those conclusions? International sign of surrender? You cant tell he was giving up and walking away? I have watched every video angle that I could find and their is no video that you can tell exactly what happened. Im pretty sure that the cop would rather the guy just leave like he asked instead of having to do a bunch of paperwork back at the precinct. You are calling the restaurant guys liars when there is absolutely no way that you can be sure what happened. The take down move is obviously what officers are taught to secure a suspect in the safest manner for the officer and the suspect. You can argue that the police should use a different procedure but this cop did his job.
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Good lord...
 
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And yes I'm calling the restaurant goons liars.

Do me a favor... Try pulling your head out of your ass before you watch it again and I think it'll be obvious what happened.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
And yes I'm calling the restaurant goons liars.

Do me a favor... Try pulling your head out of your ass before you watch it again and I think it'll be obvious what happened.
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I've watched it several times and I feel that the guy deserved to be detained and the cop followed procedure.....There is no way to know exactly what happened with no audio and video where several people watching it can come to a different conclusion. Why are the restaurant guys goons but you are ok with the crazy guy annoying customers?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I've watched it several times and I feel that the guy deserved to be detained and the cop followed procedure.....There is no way to know exactly what happened with no audio and video where several people watching it can come to a different conclusion. Why are the restaurant guys goons but you are ok with the crazy guy annoying customers?
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volbeast33 said:
I've watched it several times and I feel that the guy deserved to be detained and the cop followed procedure.....There is no way to know exactly what happened with no audio and video where several people watching it can come to a different conclusion. Why are the restaurant guys goons but you are ok with the crazy guy annoying customers?
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Yes there is. Is called opening your f'n eyes and looking. I mean it's pretty sad and pathetic but if you wanna be okay with it then whatever. Let's not act like what transpired is a mystery though. We have two videos from different vantage points. The one from inside the bar you can hear most what's being said.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Yes there is. Is called opening your f'n eyes and looking. I mean it's pretty sad and pathetic but if you wanna be okay with it then whatever. Let's not act like what transpired is a mystery though. We have two videos from different vantage points. The one from inside the bar you can hear most what's being said.
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post both videos.....maybe there is one I haven't seen
 
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volbeast33 said:
post both videos.....maybe there is one I haven't seen
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If you've seen more than one then (I believe) you've seen them all. I'm sure they're both fairly easy to find with a simple Google search.

Do me a favor though. Please take down the 2015 Hunky Cops calendar you have pinned up next to your computer. When you spend half your time staring at it, it makes an objective assessment of the video almost impossible. After all, the August guy is pretty hard to look away from from.
 

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Cdywolfe said:
If you've seen more than one then (I believe) you've seen them all. I'm sure they're both fairly easy to find with a simple Google search.

Do me a favor though. Please take down the 2015 Hunky Cops calendar you have pinned up next to your computer. When you spend half your time staring at it, it makes an objective assessment of the video almost impossible. After all, the August guy is pretty hard to look away from from.
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How dare you post a picture of me without my permission.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Yes there is. Is called opening your f'n eyes and looking. I mean it's pretty sad and pathetic but if you wanna be okay with it then whatever. Let's not act like what transpired is a mystery though. We have two videos from different vantage points. The one from inside the bar you can hear most what's being said.
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Ive seen the other video. I stand by my original opinion. Guy shouldn't have been roughed up but he wasn't walking away.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I had to go to a meeting but I am a little shocked that Im being trashed talked by a guy that obviously has semi-nude pics of male cops on his cpu. Show that pride Loud and Proud!!
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LOL... I was just messing with ya. I feel it was fairly obvious it was a joke.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
And you didn't disappoint. I give it a solid 9.

So what you're saying is we're okay with a cop aggressively taking an old man to the pavement as he was both walking away and raising his hands (the universal sign of surrender) because he may have touched the cop in one of those few seconds he wasn't viewable? That makes a ton of sense.

"Listen guys... He's probably some evil genius who was able to calculate the camera angle and get a few quick jabs in the exact instance he's not visible. Cop is totally justified."

The fact that they trained him to do that is great and all but it bares absolutely no relevance to the discussion of either its necessity or its morality. Theyve trained him to do a lot of things.
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Keep in mind that they only use these rasslin' submission tactics when they know they have the advantage (old man in this case, or woman/girl at a pool party in Texas, or when with a group of other cops like the Eric Garner incident). Very rarely do they try this on a 17-50 year old man 1-on-1. In those instances, they prefer to use a gun.
 
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I learned a couple of weeks ago, after my sister cussed me out, that my jokes/sarcasm aren't always as obvious as I think they are.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Keep in mind that they only use these rasslin' submission tactics when they know they have the advantage (old man in this case, or woman/girl at a pool party in Texas, or when with a group of other cops like the Eric Garner incident). Very rarely do they try this on a 17-50 year old man 1-on-1. In those instances, they prefer to use a gun.
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What is your alternative?
 
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volbeast33 said:
How can you come to any of those conclusions? International sign of surrender? You cant tell he was giving up and walking away? I have watched every video angle that I could find and their is no video that you can tell exactly what happened. Im pretty sure that the cop would rather the guy just leave like he asked instead of having to do a bunch of paperwork back at the precinct. You are calling the restaurant guys liars when there is absolutely no way that you can be sure what happened. The take down move is obviously what officers are taught to secure a suspect in the safest manner for the officer and the suspect. You can argue that the police should use a different procedure but this cop did his job.
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You are one piece of work I tell you.

It was an old man singing songs. You saw that much yourself, who cares what the restaurant people say or the cops. Use your eyes and common sense for a moment.
 
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jp1 said:
Ive seen the other video. I stand by my original opinion. Guy shouldn't have been roughed up but he wasn't walking away.
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Like I said before, though I feel fairly confident he was I wouldn't bet my car on it or anything. I also can't imagine how you can say with such confidence he wasn't. What is clear is that he was never, at any point, a threat (outnumbered 3 to 1 and putting his hands up) and if detainment was necessary, which it wasn't, the cop could've taken a few extra second to ensure it happened peacefully.
 
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