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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... Are we talking about hotel occupancy rates or prison population?

Are you guys reading this? They are actually trying to maintain a certain level of prison population.

No, a stat would want to have a system that is as close to 0% as possible... not 90-100%. Really? How do they control the population/turn on or turn off the faucet? Do they go out and arrest more people for petty crimes some months and slack off when it is too full on other months?
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It's crazy that Haslam is stating what the real goal of the prison system is and there hasn't been real blow back.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... Are we talking about hotel occupancy rates or prison population?

Are you guys reading this? They are actually trying to maintain a certain level of prison population.

No, a stat would want to have a system that is as close to 0% as possible... not 90-100%. Really? How do they control the population/turn on or turn off the faucet? Do they go out and arrest more people for petty crimes some months and slack off when it is too full on other months?
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It would optimize my tax contribution if the population was 0%. Id be all for that, however there are enough of legitimate law breakers to meet his quota trust me.
 
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jp1 said:
It would optimize my tax contribution if the population was 0%. Id be all for that, however there are enough of legitimate law breakers to meet his quota trust me.
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jp1 said:
It would optimize my tax contribution if the population was 0%. Id be all for that, however there are enough of legitimate law breakers to meet his quota trust me.
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Which goes back to my original question I asked several months ago: do we have too many laws or too many lawbreakers?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... Are we talking about hotel occupancy rates or prison population?

Are you guys reading this? They are actually trying to maintain a certain level of prison population.

No, a state would want to have a system that is as close to 0% as possible... not 90-100%. Really? How do they control the population/turn on or turn off the faucet? Do they go out and arrest more people for petty crimes some months and slack off when it is too full on other months?
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I think you are taking what Haslem said out of context.....now privately owned prisons do need to be looked at.
 
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jp1 said:
I can give you suggestions on how to avoid this if you seriously question on the likelihood that this might happen to you.
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Sure, I'm game.

Although I'm sure your suggestions will be something like; don't break the law, submit to the authority of the cop, yada, yada, yada....
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Sure, I'm game.

Although I'm sure your suggestions will be something like; don't break the law, submit to the authority of the cop, yada, yada, yada....
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Oh my bad....I didn't know that the situation that led to those events was off limits. I guess we should give the poor guy a pass. Carry on then.
 
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jp1 said:
Oh my bad....I didn't know that the situation that led to those events was off limits. I guess we should give the poor guy a pass. Carry on then.
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Are you speaking on a particular arrest, or in general?

The meme is meant as an illustration, not as a commentary on a particular arrest.

Now, about those suggestions....
Can you give any that doesn't use state power against the individual?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Are you speaking on a particular arrest, or in general?

The meme is meant as an illustration, not as a commentary on a particular arrest.

Now, about those suggestions....
Can you give any that doesn't use state power against the individual?
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I was speaking in general. Most of the time there are consequences to actions. Most people are well aware of those consequences. Its typically people that decide to ignore that little fact that end up in pictures like you submitted. I equate it to your parents setting rules. When I was growing up I didnt like half of the rules that my parents set forth, but guess how that turned out when I decided to not follow them?

Lets assume that the gentleman in your picture had stolen a car. How do you want the situation handled?
 
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jp1 said:
I was speaking in general. Most of the time there are consequences to actions. Most people are well aware of those consequences. Its typically people that decide to ignore that little fact that end up in pictures like you submitted. I equate it to your parents setting rules. When I was growing up I didnt like half of the rules that my parents set forth, but guess how that turned out when I decided to not follow them?

Lets assume that the gentleman in your picture had stolen a car. How do you want the situation handled?
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Ok, I'll go down this road with you.

If the chap happened to have been driving a stolen car, that is theft and should be prosecuted. Theft is a legitimate crime.

It's a funny thing you mention rules and parents, one might think you're equating government to our parents. However if one understands the difference between malum prohibitum and malum in se, you'll understand how polluted our system of "law" really is.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Ok, I'll go down this road with you.

If the chap happened to have been driving a stolen car, that is theft and should be prosecuted. Theft is a legitimate crime.

It's a funny thing you mention rules and parents, one might think you're equating government to our parents. However if one understands the difference between malum prohibitum and malum in se, you'll understand how polluted our system of "law" really is.
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This is the same argument that is in this thread all the time. Both sides of the argument are not going to change their mind.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How am I taking it out of context? Didn't he not say that 90-100% occupancy was ideal?
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It was a question on overcrowding.....he was saying they weren't over crowded that they ideally want them in the 90-100% full bc its more economical. He even said that ideally they would have less prison population period.
 
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volbeast33 said:
This is the same argument that is in this thread all the time. Both sides of the argument are not going to change their mind.
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I do not speak for others, and they do not speak for me. The simple fact of the matter is we have entirely too many laws. Laws that are only designed to extract money from the populace, as well as keep the prisons full so the prison industrial complex can meet the demands of the government contracts.
It's pretty simple really, the only legitimate crimes are to initiate force/violence against someone and defrauding someone.
 

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I do not speak for others, and they do not speak for me. The simple fact of the matter is we have entirely too many laws. Laws that are only designed to extract money from the populace, as well as keep the prisons full so the prison industrial complex can meet the demands of the government contracts.
It's pretty simple really, the only legitimate crimes are to initiate force/violence against someone and defrauding someone.
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I disagree.....some laws I don't agree with but Im happy we have some that don't fit your criteria.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Ok, I'll go down this road with you.

If the chap happened to have been driving a stolen car, that is theft and should be prosecuted. Theft is a legitimate crime.

It's a funny thing you mention rules and parents, one might think you're equating government to our parents. However if one understands the difference between malum prohibitum and malum in se, you'll understand how polluted our system of "law" really is.
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I agree we definitely don't have a flawless system. Can it be improved? Most likely, but i'm just beyond tired of everyone glossing over personal culpability in a majority of these cases. I don't think we are doing ourselves any favors when we do that.
 
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jp1 said:
I agree we definitely don't have a flawless system. Can it be improved? Most likely, but i'm just beyond tired of everyone glossing over personal culpability in a majority of these cases. I don't think we are doing ourselves any favors when we do that.
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Of course, personal responsibility is king. But, when we have people being arrested for plants and not paying tribute to the government. (taxes) Along with the myriad of arbitrary laws that are on the books, it's frustrating. Every one of us break laws every day that we're probably not even aware of.
 
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