The truth behind Joc Bruce

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utvolpj said:
The act was either self defense or assault. The fact you avoid that is telling


Never said there was. The punishment in real life for this kind of act is much different than anything the player involved is likely to be given. Tells me they believe it's equal to missing a class or 2 which isn't much
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utvolpj said:
It's an assessment based off multiple reports. Teaching them to use fists when confronted with words is not building men. It also doesn't feel like the point of higher education
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JCroom was apparently provoked by JBruce's verbal assault, and defended with his fist, a physical assault.. both can carry a punishment.. so there you go they are both guilty. :)


But being this is a altercation in a locker room over football, I don't see "assault" at all. It was a straight up fight.. all there is to it. JCroom was defending the program. So I applaud Croom for standing up for the program that he loves. He may have not picked the correct action, but he took action.. As another poster said, I bet the other players will think twice before the pull a JBruce stunt.
 
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utvolpj said:
Q: Why did you hit him?

A: He called me a name then stepped on the wrong section of carpet

Sounds like a solid defense :lol:
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... Allow me to assist.

"I yelled at him about having respect and not walking on the T. He told me to f off and came at me with his fists balled acting like he was going to fight. I thought he was going to hit me, so I punched him once."

There is no requirement that you have to allow the other party to strike you before you can defend yourself. Next time think before you open your trap.
 
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utvolpj said:
Please link me to a credible report that Bruce put his hands on someone first. If he didn't then it it simply assault over some perceived lack of respect. That should not be the proper response for adults and if it's tolerated by the staff then it is essentially being taught as the correct response

You assuming this is some pro-Bruce crusade couldn't be more wrong. It's simply about how to handle yourself as a contributing member of society
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Although I see your point in the statement above, the circumstances are what makes me disagree with your thought process. I do agree that educational institutions have a responsibility to teach "how to handle yourself as a contributing member of society", but this is a unique culture/society, if you will, within the institution. It (this football society) also has been built several years ago, and has been a huge part of why this young men are at the University in the first place. (I mean this in terms of keeping these young men focused, goal oriented, and dedicated in the classroom throughout their entire school years.)

Football is a team sport, that if you haven't played it you would not understand what has been imprinted upon these young men. The same game that has kept them in school and taught them such skills as team work, leadership, communication, dedication, problem solving, etc. has also taught them loyalty, pride, toughness, and that "never back down" mentality.

This brings mean to my point. Blaming coaches for two teammates fighting in a football locker room in any way is ridiculous. Football was built around an aggressive, tough, and "man-up" type of attitude. Young men will not always be able to turn this off like a light switch. Blame society, or whatever, but football is the reason we are on this board, and have this passion for this team too. It is also a huge reason why they (the players) have been successful so far in their lives.

In plain and simple terms. I bet both guys (and a whole lot of others) learn life lessons from this, and there will be more fights in football locker rooms in the future. :crazy:
 
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ntxVOL said:
So, what is one to do after a verbal reprimand is not enough? Do you think JC should have just ran and told CBJ what was going on? And how is JB supposed to have any respect for JC if he had done that?
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If you do the right thing and someone still doesn't respect that then they likely aren't worth worrying about. Just leave them be
 
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#482
Seen a lot of fights over the years. They are rarely so easy to characterize as "A hit B first"...pushing, bumping, posturing, cussing...:boom:...in it and impossible to know who threw the first punch. In such a circumstance, the individual with the established record will get the benefit of the doubt, especially when the other party has a questionable record established in a pretty short time. Clearly that was Croom, and if Croom needs some remedial sensitivity training, he'll get it on the stairs of Neyland. Nothing to see here...
 
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utvolpj said:
Please link me to a credible report that Bruce put his hands on someone first. If he didn't then it it simply assault over some perceived lack of respect. That should not be the proper response for adults and if it's tolerated by the staff then it is essentially being taught as the correct response

You assuming this is some pro-Bruce crusade couldn't be more wrong. It's simply about how to handle yourself as a contributing member of society
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Please link me to a credible report that Bruce did not put his hands on someone first.
 
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Bruce doesn't have to lay a hand on Croom for Croom to successfully maintain a self defense defense.

I have seen no version of this story in this thread that eliminated the possibility of self defense.
 
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utvolpj said:
So you want me to prove that something doesn't exist? Sounds reasonable (and by reasonable I mean ridiculous)
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Right back at ya. :good!:

You're making assumptions but want others who have different points of view to have proof.
 
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Kristy* said:
Right back at ya. :good!:

You're making assumptions but want others who have different points of view to have proof.
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My assumptions are backed by accounts from credible posters. The one you're asking for has never been mentioned
 
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utvolpj said:
My assumptions are backed by accounts from credible posters. The one you're asking for has never been mentioned
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You may have a general sense of what altercation took place. I'm sure none of those posters you're speaking of were there when it happened.
 
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ntxVOL said:
Ah, now I see the problem here. It seems to me that you're making the assumption that JB has the same level of intellect that you possess but JC, by his own actions, must be some sort of barbarian.
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I wouldn't know.

ntxVOL said:
So, what is one to do after a verbal reprimand is not enough? Do you think JC should have just ran and told CBJ what was going on? And how is JB supposed to have any respect for JC if he had done that?
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How the two players feel about each other is irrelevant so long as they do their job and don't impact team unity. If not, coach is the prescription.
 
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VoL The Impaler said:
When was a report the coaches are taught to use fists?


We have two crowds here..

One that is making this sound like JBruce innocently stepped on the Power T and big bad mean JCroom came over and without warning smacked him down.. and obviously JCroom bullied JBruce into not attending classes and what have you, because, that is what is being taught and all..


OTOH.. the reports have been..

JBruce has been reported as having a gangster type attitude, people have stated this before the altercation in other threads. One poster said he was a "dbag", this person went on to say he was lazy as well..

There was a altercation between JBruce and JCroom that did not (from a person in the know on the board) have all to do with stepping on the Power T..

Multiple people have talked highly of JCroom and being a very good person and not one to instigate fights.

JBruce signed a letter to leave the program, that this would is the best for him and UT.. there is a picture posted somewhere of this signed letter.

The other side are believing.. and I'm in this crowd. JBruce was apparently being a dbag in the locker room, a elder player JCroom confronted him.. JBruce disrespected JCroom and also during the confrontation stepped on the Power T, they had a altercation with JCroom having enough and hitting JBruce..

With CBJ having a signed letter from JBruce explains a bunch to me. With no reports of JCroom being off the team explains a bunch.. JCroom will most likely be disciplined by the coaches IMO. JBruce is not a fit for UT, this is fairly certain, and if UT was his dream team, then why is he leaving so quickly, and why a altercation to begin with. Stuff adds up.. and it is stacked against JBruce being a angel in this.

My question for the pro JBruce crowd, where do you see bulling or assault in all this. The two was escalating to a fight because one player was being a dbag and the other was calling him out..

Maybe I'm blind and ignorant, but its plain as the sky is blue on a nice sunny day to me. :thumbsup:
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the description of JB in paragraph above was one I heard a year ago from teammate. Didn't really believe it, but...
 
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35 pages over a fist fight? Some of you guys are such clowns.
IT'S A LOCKER ROOM!! You're not in it and if you've never been in that sort of environment you don't understand what it is and what occurs. If you haven't experienced it, don't speak to it or suggest what it should be.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
35 pages over a fist fight? Some of you guys are such clowns.
IT'S A LOCKER ROOM!! You're not in it and if you be never been in that sort of environment you don't understand what it is and what occurs. If you haven't experienced it, don't speak to it or suggest what it should be.
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THIS!!! x100000000000000000

I don't know what happened and don't really need to know....JBruce is gone and personally--I'm sick of the folks on this board SPECULATING that JCroom did something wrong just because he hit someone in the lockerroom. Please don't assume the worst about him just because he kicked a mouthy punk's butt!

JCroom's character is not on trial here--and I don't think I've ever heard a disparaging word about JCroom in his entire career at UT....

But, what it says to me is that JBruce is more fluff than TOUGH...and if he would have been TOUGH enough to play in the SEC, and been mad enough to want to do something about getting HIT in the lockerroom--he would have stayed and attempted to get payback on the field in pads....like maybe in the circle of life drill....

Either way--this is SEC football and young MEN who are playing it...I don't expect nor require them to BE NICE to one another 100% of the time...and fights WILL and DO happen....sometimes on the field and sometimes in the lockerroom....

It is MORE important for the TEAM's success to have the individual players understand the chain of command and respect those in leadership....because that's the way football teams function...

It appears that JBruce refused to acknowledge the chain of command or respect his elders--and I say kudos to JCroom for giving him a life lesson!

:salute:

flame away.....
 
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