Ukraine II: The Fight Against Russian Aggression

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So apparently there's currently a push by some (albeit a small contingent, I think) in United Russia (again, for casual observers, Putin's party) to have all foreign travel banned. Basically, the former US travel ban to Cuba on meth and Mad Max: Fury Road War Boys' chrome paint crap.

As goofy as Russia has been under Putin, especially these past couple of years, I very much doubt it will make its way through Russian parliament, but then again, with the riddle wrapped inside a mystery wrapped inside an enigma, you just never know.

Onward glorious Russian youths! Onward glorious Russian men, all muscular, sweaty, and barechested (and not at all homoerotic and how dare you even make that association) in the sun harvesting wheat and performing hand-to-hand combat maneuvers on lunch breaks! Onward gloriously reproductive women! Onward Holy Mother Russia!
Onward unto our birthright and our glorious destiny!

#roadtoutopia
 
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When I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

I was wrong about RT and the barracks story, albeit only partially. RT evidently did provide some coverage on it, however minimal.

Military training center partially collapses in Siberia, 23 dead ? RT News

23 dead, and that's apparently all she wrote from RT. I had to actively search for even that pathetic bit of coverage by performing a specific Google search. But, evidently, at some point in time around the disaster, RT did indeed have some coverage of it scrolling somewhere in the "News" section online. As I suggested, RT would most likely just perform the bare minimum on the story so as to maintain some semblance of journalistic integrity and honesty.

Had that been an American or NATO barracks, it would have been permanent front page news on RT for at least a week, reporting every aspect of the disaster, every development, but, most crucially, how a faulty, callous American military establishment was potentially to blame.

Anyhow, for now, RT still retains a shred of credibility.
 
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Given the amount of time oligarchs spend abroad, it would never fly. Unless there's a special oligarch exemption.

From the comments. Heh.

What about vacationed Russian troops in Donbas... they cannot go back home right now
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Velo Vol said:
Given the amount of time oligarchs spend abroad, it would never fly. Unless there's a special oligarch exemption.

From the comments. Heh.
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I missed that one. haha!

Yeah, if that law is passed, 10-40,000 Russian troops are pretty much screwed.
 
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Evidently, there's some tale of an Israeli-made missile having shot down MH17 currently making its rounds on the Russian interwebs.

You know those evil pig Jew Zionists, always trying to keep the Russian man down.
 
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Next thing we know, MH17 is going to have been shot down by a Jewish-made gay missile fired by a Nazi, flying an American F-15.
 
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Could be a new DNR offensive soon. Reports of escalating shelling in Donetsk right now.
 
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LOL

"whose thoughts have long been on the coast of San Fransisco"?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxYAEVuH94I[/youtube]
 
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Velo Vol said:
Lingual provocation.

Johnson: The influence of English: Deep impact | The Economist
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i think this by definition is THE 1st world problem. its almost laughable that this comes up enough in some circles to justify an article, yet alone a book that is mentioned. we (humans) need an alien invasion, get our priorities figured out.

that rant aside, it should be noted that languages aren't dead and fixed. they constantly change. American vs English and Mexican vs Spanish. Southern German vs German. None of the first examples are "real" languages yet have key differences and quirks. i am sure the list goes on and on. but yeah another thing to blame America on. does this go on dumb Americans or is this a NWO/Nazi/Obama/Imperialist effort?
 
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found this to be an interesting article. not saying I particularly agree with it, but it is more of a historical look than an opinion piece, worth a look.

Putin's twisted imperial logic: The (many) historical claims on Russian lands -Euromaidan Press |

the first pic shows the US controlling some of Russia at some point but never goes into it. and i had never heard a real argument for it, and thus was why i was intrigued, the rest I pretty much knew. the dates are interesting.
 
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1. wut

2. Ukraine does not threaten Russia.

3. Nonetheless Russia did launch a Wiesel War.

4. I agree the U.S. should be more serious/aggressive with its foreign policy.

5. If you carry a big stick, you have to be willing to use it, or at least flash it when another power invades a western leaning country. Or at least sell them weapons.

6. This has implications beyond Ukraine. You can't just say, give them Donbas and all will be fine.



volprof said:
As Americans, we approach everything with a moral narrative. This is one of the reasons why we produce smug observers like Pacer and Ras, who, here in the US are actually taken seriously, while, elsewhere, in places like Russia, China, or central Asian small-timers would probably just be shot.

We have the great fortune of space.

In Russia, in particular, despite its size, you don't.

I don't blame Russia for behaving the way it has in Ukraine, although I do wish it would finally admit its behavior officially and stop skulking around like a kid in a ****ty city park. Honestly, I would want the US to behave the same way, albeit openly. Keep the threatening influences at bay by making said threatening country on your borders basically neutral at least. Of course Ukraine doesn't threaten Russia existentially, but Russia has a lot at stake in Ukraine (warm water ports, food, and pipelines not the least of which).

I totally get Russia's reaction and, in many regards, I support it.

I still, however, cannot stomach the seizure of Crimea and what I will officially call the "Weasel War" (you heard it first hear - don't copyright it) sanctioned by Russia in eastern Ukraine. I understand interests, and I think the US needs to cooperate more with Russia on this, but I cannot stomach border change. Russia is currently the only country on Earth changing borders, and it's not just in Ukraine.

Our country needs to get serious about foreign policy again. W. (not necessarily his pappy, who was tutored correctly under Reagan, who was a master of foreign policy, despite the mujihadeen debacle, which was Russia's fault, and not ours, anyhow) led us down a very, very bad path. I don't necessarily blame him. In many ways, he was a victim of America's great fortunes, but he also cost us dearly. Well, President Dick, more exactly.

We need to get back to the days of Reagan foreign policy, who learned a great lesson from Teddy. You carry a big stick, and you swing that stick very mightily, but you don't use that stick in circumstances when it either no longer benefits you or you go limp.

In the Ukraine, we are not limp. We need some pressure. But we are very much restrained. And, to carry the Roosevelt sexual metaphor of foreign policy and natural interests further, we should, at no point, sport a full hard-on erection, no matter how much that girl tempts us. Don't do it. Don't even think you can get by with a condom on. Just maintain flirtation, but don't go all in. You can't compete with Russia's handsomeness and big, fatty, at least not here.

Russia, for the time being, seems satisfied with frozen conflict. Then let them be.

Keep it that way. Don't move any further. Certainly don't arm Ukraine. (What the ****!)

Move economic interests into western Ukraine. Make it a viable country, the west at least.

Grant liberal political rights to the east so that Russia doesn't feel immediately threatened.

Ukraine may never be a "country" ever again and, this is partially explainable due to its geography and history, but some Ukraine will survive in a solid form at the very least - it's too strong to disappear, especially with Western backing. And Europe and Russia will both live with it as long as neither encroaches too far upon the other's interest, which, to both parties' interests, has seem to be the case thus far (Russia's shadiness in the east aside).

Just leave it be. Support economic interests in the west, remain firm against conflict-expansion, and hope that the economic and moral liberalization of the area will eventually trickle through to the east and, most importantly, to western Russia.

In the meantime, just chill the **** out.
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Velo Vol said:
1. wut

2. Ukraine does not threaten Russia.

3. Nonetheless Russia did launch a Wiesel War.

4. I agree the U.S. should be more serious/aggressive with its foreign policy.

5. If you carry a big stick, you have to be willing to use it, or at least flash it when another power invades a western leaning country. Or at least sell them weapons.

6. This has implications beyond Ukraine. You can't just say, give them Donbas and all will be fine.
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To give you some example of how carrying a big stick without much intelligence and know-how can go awry, China's recent South China Sea policy is about to make China much less potent than what it was before. In fact, if it keeps it up at the pace it's been going, it's going to make land border nations it thought not a problem (therefore, we can go sea-faring) a problem again.

Carry a big stick, but don't weild it too hard. No Eurasian country has any real interest in the Western Hemisphere and never will, barring a US govt. collapse and civil war. However, the US does have a real interest in East Asia. That's not jingoism; that's a fact.

And we've carried too big a stick for us to weild. Dick Cheney's private interests were too much for the stick.

As far as Ukraine/Russia are concerned, we need reserved firmness. We're never going to outdo Russia in Ukraine. It doesn't mean to us what it means to them. We need soft power in Ukraine and not any hard power, crazy-ass gung-ho conservative "arm Ukraine" nonsense, like what we've heard here and in congress.

Thus far, Obama is doing very well. In fact, I think his foreign policy has been nothing short of magnificence, especially in wake of the W. **** upon everything in site years.

As far as good foreign policy is concerned, you let other countries make mistakes first. These past couple decades, the US has been the mistake-maker. Now, it's time to watch the others **** up. And while Russia may be a stalemate at the moment, China is currently going down a very stupid path with its South China Sea escapades, potentially alienating whatever good land-border vibes it had built up with its neighbors.
 
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