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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not for cops stopping people from going along their merry ways (especially at night, but that is another discussion all together) for something as simple and trivial as this.

The cops are putting themselves and the driver and the rest of the motorists in danger with every traffic stop.
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The cop is putting everyone in danger? No accountability on the person who is supposedly breaking the law? It is simple for civilians.. dont break the ****ing law.. i am 32 years old and have done pretty well at that over the years. .. i comply when i am pulled over, take my ticket and am sent on my way.. no bad experiences with police whatsover.
 
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YorkVol said:
Of course it happens but for lane change violations?
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Here's the problem York, all we know is that's what the traffic stop was for. We have no information of what led to that traffic stop. Just the other day I saw the same thing as described in this situation happen on I240. Some jackwagon cut across three lanes of traffic without signaling and almost caused an accident.

Now if this was the same situation? Had the woman cut across three lanes of traffic causing problems for other drivers, would you still question the initial stop? Especially in light of knowing they were just going to warn her and send her on her way?
 
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"Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: "wrong [as or because] prohibited") is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute, as opposed to conduct evil in and of itself, or malum in se."

Know the difference people.
 
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And another thing... a warning? So no one has a problem with some guy turning on blue lights and making a scene and causing panic on the road, creating an opportunity for rubbernecking or bottle-necking if there isn't enough shoulder to pullover on just so some guy that was just speeding to lunch an hour before could walk up to a car and give the driver a tongue lashing and pontificate about road safety and what not?

This is simply an ego trip in most of these cases... just wanting to flex a little of that muscle and show us serfs who the boss is.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the problem York, all we know is that's what the traffic stop was for. We have no information of what led to that traffic stop. Just the other day I saw the same thing as described in this situation happen on I240. Some jackwagon cut across three lanes of traffic without signaling and almost caused an accident.

Now if this was the same situation? Had the woman cut across three lanes of traffic causing problems for other drivers, would you still question the initial stop? Especially in light of knowing they were just going to warn her and send her on her way?
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No I wouldn't. But I doubt they would claim they were going to give her a warning if that was the case.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the problem York, all we know is that's what the traffic stop was for. We have no information of what led to that traffic stop. Just the other day I saw the same thing as described in this situation happen on I240. Some jackwagon cut across three lanes of traffic without signaling and almost caused an accident.

Now if this was the same situation? Had the woman cut across three lanes of traffic causing problems for other drivers, would you still question the initial stop? Especially in light of knowing they were just going to warn her and send her on her way?
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That makes for a pretty good scenario you just painted there, but the fact remains that the majority of the time, these are not the times when cops pull this stunt. About 2 years ago, I was pulled over for a rolling stop on a light traffic Sunday morning. The cop was of course hiding and looking for people that didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign... nevermind the actual traffic conditions at the time. I wasn't putting any lives in danger by not coming to a complete stop when the next car coming is half mile down the road.

I got off with a warning, but I was still pissed off at the principle of the entire thing. Hiding behind bushes and signs looking for petty offenders... when nobody's life or property was even threatened.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
"Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: "wrong [as or because] prohibited") is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute, as opposed to conduct evil in and of itself, or malum in se."

Know the difference people.
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Obviously, there was evil intent with that improper lane change.
 
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YorkVol said:
No I wouldn't. But I doubt they would claim they were going to give her a warning if that was the case.
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Conditional factors are there that are not being brought up. Who says they wouldn't have? Perhaps it was towards the end of the shift and they didn't want the hassle. Perhaps they didn't feel like extorting the public this one time. (Yes DTH, that's for you to giggle about) Perhaps she did so in a manner that led them to believe she might have been in medical trouble. Perhaps they thought she was intoxicated. Perhaps the taillight was burned out and all they were going to do was tell her to get it fixed. Don't jump to the conclusion they would have given her a ticket had she cut someone off.

There's a lot of what if's in this situation that led to the initial stop that many won't talk about. However, they have the right to at least check up on her especially if the situation was as I described. Not all cops want to give out tickets (sorry DTH) as some just don't want to deal with the trouble for various reasons.

The real debate here is what happened after she was stopped. Did she need to run her mouth? Did she need to strike the officer? And furthermore, if one wants to blame the cops, blame the jail officers that violated policy. There is the heart of the debate that should be going on. Not nitpicking the initial traffic stop that had too many factors to consider. This will get out of control because people are not focusing on the right questions and instead screaming "Black Lives Matter!" at the highest tone they can. Even though she was entirely in the wrong from the start.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That makes for a pretty good scenario you just painted there, but the fact remains that the majority of the time, these are not the times when cops pull this stunt. About 2 years ago, I was pulled over for a rolling stop on a light traffic Sunday morning. The cop was of course hiding and looking for people that didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign... nevermind the actual traffic conditions at the time. I wasn't putting any lives in danger by not coming to a complete stop when the next car coming is half mile down the road.

I got off with a warning, but I was still pissed off at the principle of the entire thing. Hiding behind bushes and signs looking for petty offenders... when nobody's life or property was even threatened.
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Can you please back up your "majority" of the time with some stats?

And I'm surprised you got off with a warning. I mean, according to you, those bullies just want to flex their power on the serfs and should have pulled you out of the vehicle and given you a good beating just to keep in practice. Or searched your car illegally. Or shot you in the back. Checked for illegal cigarettes maybe. Or as a minimum given you the extortion ticket.

Man, what's up with cops these days...
 
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Obey the edicts of the political ruling class or the wood shampoo will be applied. Remember, these heroes are duty bound to enforce these "laws" even if most only generate revenue for their masters over inflated budgets. Or, we'll just label you a cop hater....

Or, use common sense and understand if there is no victim to accuse, how can there be a crime?
Almost doing something doesn't count.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know, you're right.

A man that is almost murdered doesn't count.

A woman almost getting raped doesn't count.

Almost getting run off the road doesn't count.

How silly of me to assume otherwise.
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Again, if there is no victim there to accuse, there is no crime. Regardless of what some bullsh*t law, made up by a politician states.

America isn't really supposed to to do pre-crime.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Again, if there is no victim there to accuse, there is no crime. Regardless of what some bullsh*t law, made up by a politician states.

America isn't really supposed to to do pre-crime.
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Go run a few red lights then kick the cop who gives you a ticket since there was no victim to accuse. Regardless of the fact that you could have hit someone is a moot point since no one was. Explain your logic and see how it pans out for you.

Crime and accident prevention is over rated.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
Go run a few red lights then kick the cop who gives you a ticket since there was no victim to accuse. Regardless of the fact that you could have hit someone is a moot point since no one was. Explain your logic and see how it pans out for you.

Crime and accident prevention is over rated.
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If I kick the cop, that would be assault and I would be charged. If I run a red light and hit someone, there would be a victim, therefore a crime. But, if I hit no one or damage property, I would be on my wreckless way.

I'm not sure how this is hard to understand. Extracting money from someone by threat of force (yes, extortion) for failing to obey arbitrary numbers on a sign or a colored light is silly and typical of government and their revenue system.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
If I kick the cop, that would be assault and I would be charged. If I run a red light and hit someone, there would be a victim, therefore a crime. But, if I hit no one or damage property, I would be on my wreckless way.

I'm not sure how this is hard to understand. Extracting money from someone by threat of force (yes, extortion) for failing to obey arbitrary numbers on a sign or a colored light is silly and typical of government and their revenue system.
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But if there is no penalty for running the red light you are more likely to continue running it..... And by doing so..... Putting other people in danger ..... That's why there's a law...... Can you understand this?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
But if there is no penalty for running the red light you are more likely to continue running it..... And by doing so..... Putting other people in danger ..... That's why there's a law...... Can you understand this?
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Yeah, and that "law" works so well now for the countless people who disobey traffic laws every day. It's simply revenue collecting.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know, you're right.

A man that is almost murdered doesn't count.

A woman almost getting raped doesn't count.

Almost getting run off the road doesn't count.

How silly of me to assume otherwise.
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If we saw more people in jail for ALMOST rape/murder, I might be less judgmental. Instead, we crowd our prisons with minor traffic violators, child support violators, and reefer smokers.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
Go run a few red lights then kick the cop who gives you a ticket since there was no victim to accuse. Regardless of the fact that you could have hit someone is a moot point since no one was. Explain your logic and see how it pans out for you.

Crime and accident prevention is over rated.
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How will it work out for me... will I end up dead?
 
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