Iran deal unlikely: what's next?

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Gramps said:
Netanyahu to speak shortly. No doubt he will say this a a terrible deal
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Well, I suppose it was to be expected that for the first week to ten days the GOPers would bash it, without bothering to even remotely understand it. So I guess for the next little bit here we all just have to sit back and watch them on TV, dodging every question about any specific, as I saw this morning.

" Blah blah blah guarantee a nuke ... blah blah blah Israel ... blah blah blah arms race in the Middle East .... blah blah blah Obama hates the Constitution. Blah. Blah. Blah."
 
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lawgator1 said:
" Blah blah blah guarantee a nuke ... blah blah blah Israel ... blah blah blah arms race in the Middle East .... blah blah blah Obama hates the Constitution. Blah. Blah. Blah."
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This is why I think you are an absolute buffoon. No matter where you fall as relating to this "deal", you cant possibly deny that A)this will result in an arms race in the ME (specifically Israel and SA) and B)If Obama goes to the UN with this without Congress, he is in fact ****ting on the Constitution. These are not opinions, these are facts LG.
 
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BearCat204 said:
This is why I think you are an absolute buffoon. No matter where you fall as relating to this "deal", you cant possibly deny that A)this will result in an arms race in the ME (specifically Israel and SA) and B)If Obama goes to the UN with this without Congress, he is in fact ****ting on the Constitution. These are not opinions, these are facts LG.
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Oh, so you've read it?

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lawgator1 said:
As I've said, if you bashed the Dems for that, you are obliged to bash the GOPers for this.

I'm still waiting for anyone to be remotely intellectually honest about it. Don't know why I bother.
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I'm sure GOPers have more of a clue as to what is in the deal as you do LG.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, I suppose it was to be expected that for the first week to ten days the GOPers would bash it, without bothering to even remotely understand it. So I guess for the next little bit here we all just have to sit back and watch them on TV, dodging every question about any specific, as I saw this morning.

" Blah blah blah guarantee a nuke ... blah blah blah Israel ... blah blah blah arms race in the Middle East .... blah blah blah Obama hates the Constitution. Blah. Blah. Blah."
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Tell me what exactly is the benefit in removing the Revolutionary Guards and Quds from the sanctions lists? Give me one good reason and I may just be willing to support it.
 
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hog88 said:
Do you honestly believe that none of these Representatives or Senators have seen the deal or at least the outline?
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They ADMITTED that they had not seen it on the tv shows this morning. I was surprised they nonetheless just blabbed about how awful it was, over and over. It was headshakingly dumb stuff.

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Burhead said:
Tell me what exactly is the benefit in removing the Revolutionary Guards and Quds from the sanctions lists? Give me one good reason and I may just be willing to support it.
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I don't know enough about the deal to have any answer for that. i do not know if it is a good provision or a bad one.

Because I have not seen it and have not heard from reasonable, nonpartisan hacks, whether its good or bad.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough about the deal to have any answer for that. i do not know if it is a good provision or a bad one.

Because I have not seen it and have not heard from reasonable, nonpartisan hacks, whether its good or bad.
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You mean you arent going to do your norm and blindly follow anything from Supreme Leader Obama?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough about the deal to have any answer for that. i do not know if it is a good provision or a bad one.

Because I have not seen it and have not heard from reasonable, nonpartisan hacks, whether its good or bad.
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You don't have to know the deal to have an opinion on removing two organizations that, in all likely hood, killed American and coalition troops in Iraq from the sanctions list? Tell me you're not that naive.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For all I know this is a bad deal, and if so I will support voting it down.

I just don't know yet, and really do not expect to for a bit.
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But you are certainly not ignorant to the fact that any deal that doesn't handcuff Iran will in fact ramp up an arms race in the ME
 
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BearCat204 said:
But you are certainly not ignorant to the fact that any deal that doesn't handcuff Iran will in fact ramp up an arms race in the ME
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From CNN

The deal reduces the number of Iranian centrifuges by two-thirds. It places bans on enrichment at key facilities, and limits uranium research and development to the Natanz facility.

The deal caps uranium enrichment at 3.67 percent and limits the stockpile to 300 kg, all for 15 years.

Iran will be required to ship spent fuel out of the country forever, as well as allow inspectors from the IAEA inspectors certain access in perpetuity. Heightened inspections, including tracking uranium mining and monitoring the production and storage of centrifuges, will last for up to 20 years.

The U.S. estimates that the new measures take Iran from being able to assemble its first bomb within 2-3 months, to at least one year from now.
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This deal buys us 9-10 months and Iran gets all sanctions lifted. I don't think we need experts to decide who got served the shizz sandwich.
 
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