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volinbham said:
Wow.

VKAman as the OP I can tell you what this is in response to. It is not removing the C Flag from state property. It is about an ongoing trend where people DO take trivial things that offend them or more frustratingly, they believe would be offensive to someone else and try to get them banned, changed, etc.

It is not about what most see as reasonable questions "is it right for a state house to fly the C Flag"; it is about what most people see as irrational attempts to sanitize the world from any possible connotation of race, gender, religion, health status, etc that might in some possible circumstance be considered offensive by someone.

So, conflating it with C Flag on state property or should white people be able to use the "n" word is a complete red herring.
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So what's the unreasonable/irrational request? Moving Forrest's body is a good example, but I guess I've missed some of the others.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
And both my little sisters are black. The rest of my family is white. So if that crap happens we will hold up on my dad's 10 acres up on top of a ridge off if Chapman highway and drop anything that moves if it turns up the long, winding, steep driveway up the mountain. Black,white, green, purple...will all be deader than hell..if they come looking for trouble.
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I agree that it's crap, but when simple acts of defiance and self defense (Michael Brown, college kid from UVA, etc) are continuously turned into national arguments about white injustice against blacks, it can only go one way.
 
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VKAman said:
What am I twisting? I'm saying, "black people already use that word" is the same thing 90% of white people say when the n word is brought up. I actually thought about writing, "inb4 'well black people already use it'" into my post. Therefore, it's predictable. I'm not trying to make a deeper point than that.
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White people can do or say "A" all they want amongst themselves. Black people can't do or say "A" because it is offensive to white people. Sound ridiculous to you?

You can't have it both ways. It is either offensive or not (I say offensive). And you can't say context matters because white people cannot say the word PERIOD.
 
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BTW - the Frito Bandito was replaced by W.C. Fritos (a W.C. Fields impersonation).

They used to make erasers (of each) that came in multi packs of Fritos. I loved those things

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For the uninformed:

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VKAman said:
Yes, like a democracy. Fortunately, this country is a democratic republic, because a true democracy would never work.

If we let southern states vote on segregation in the '60s, it would still be segregated today and all black people born in the South would be SOL.
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So now you're comparing people's inalienable rights to flying a flag? Do I have that right?
 
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vols4sure said:
White people can do or say "A" all they want amongst themselves. Black people can't do or say "A" because it is offensive to white people. Sound ridiculous to you?
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It is ridiculous that black people use the n word. I completely agree. That's kind of separate from the point I was making, though, which is that it's not necessarily fair for white people to be the ones making the decision about what's offensive to other races.
 
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vols4sure said:
White people can do or say "A" all they want amongst themselves. Black people can't do or say "A" because it is offensive to white people. Sound ridiculous to you?

You can't have it both ways. It is either offensive or not (I say offensive). And you can't say context matters because white people cannot say the word PERIOD.
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It's the way of today's world. But it's not a double standard because white people owned slaves in the past. You know, because it was only white people who owned and traded slaves.
 
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VolsButch98 said:
So now you're comparing people's inalienable rights to flying a flag? Do I have that right?
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I don't think you do, because I'm saying that letting the majority decide EVERYTHING leads to some pretty ridiculous situations, which is why no government in the world does it. I'm not sure why that statement is controversial.
 
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VKAman said:
So what's the unreasonable/irrational request? Moving Forrest's body is a good example, but I guess I've missed some of the others.
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For the C Flag - taking Dukes off the air, removing video games from app store that have the C Flag in them, etc. Complete over reactions driven by our PC and litigious society.

Plenty of other examples including previous efforts to rename manhole covers (sexist), complaints about hurricane naming, complaints about Minnesota and Mass. flags (very recent). Objections to serving Mexican food at Intergalactic night on a university (one person suggested it was a shot at illegal aliens).

There is a long list of the "offended" and it is routine for them to seek "solutions".

So yes there are legit questions to be asked but there are plenty of non-legit ones that for some reason get attention as well.

The OP is satire. I'm sorry you don't get it.
 
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VKAman said:
Before all that, you said "And it is used in everyday conversation and it's not whitey using it." That's what I called predictable.
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How do you get "we should use it because they can", from my response? In normal everyday conversations blacks use this word exponentially more than whites.....I know, because I have a black friend.

The point is, why would blacks be offended by a word that they use so easily? The only reason to be offended by it would be if it were said in a derogatory way agree? If you can agree with that, then why would they be up in arms over a flag that isnt being used in a derogatory way? That's my point.....whether you agree or not.
 
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VKAman said:
It is ridiculous that black people use the n word. I completely agree. That's kind of separate from the point I was making, though, which is that it's not necessarily fair for white people to be the ones making the decision about what's offensive to other races.
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Well if that is your point then I would agree. Though people get offended way too easy which is the point of the thread.
 
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VKAman said:
It is ridiculous that black people use the n word. I completely agree. That's kind of separate from the point I was making, though, which is that it's not necessarily fair for white people to be the ones making the decision about what's offensive to other races.
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on this we agree but unfortunately this behavior is rampant.

Look at who's leading the charge to change the name of the Redskins.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You are playing with fire by poking fun at the CB. You'll have 20 fat rednecks at your front door.
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It probably killed LG to actually spend time in Gainesville. There's a lot of whites, rural in nature, conservative in their politics and unhealthy in their eating ways, all around Alachua County. Thank God the university provided him a sliver of liberal light in the otherwise hellish black hole of Hogtown.
 
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volinbham said:
For the C Flag - taking Dukes off the air, removing video games from app store that have the C Flag in them, etc. Complete over reactions driven by our PC and litigious society.

Plenty of other examples including previous efforts to rename manhole covers (sexist), complaints about hurricane naming, complaints about Minnesota and Mass. flags (very recent). Objections to serving Mexican food at Intergalactic night on a university (one person suggested it was a shot at illegal aliens).

There is a long list of the "offended" and it is routine for them to seek "solutions".

So yes there are legit questions to be asked but there are plenty of non-legit ones that for some reason get attention as well.

The OP is satire. I'm sorry you don't get it.
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I get it, and I think it's kind of impossible not to. I just was wondering why these posts kept popping up/what they were satirizing, because the main recent story I've seen about people being offended was the SC Confederate flag. That's why I asked the question in my first post: to see if they're about the flag at the capital, or about something else I've been missing. Apparently it's the latter, which is perfectly fine with me.
 
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BearCat204 said:
But the real issues and what is not being discussed is that 9 innocent people were slaughtered in a hate crime. We arent talking about that and we arent trying to figure out why it happened, because you know why? Deep down people dont give a ****, they are more concerned with their own opinions and what offends them and have used this as an opportunity to voice out. Taking down every single thing that even remotely hints at the Civil War or slavery back in the day, will have absolutely no effect on the racial issues in this country. When we actually look at the true issues we might stand a chance to all come together on the same page.
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+1
 
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Denny's needs to go back to their previous name, Sambo's. Food was much better in those days.
 
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BearCat204 said:
How do you get "we should use it because they can", from my response? In normal everyday conversations blacks use this word exponentially more than whites.....I know, because I have a black friend.

The point is, why would blacks be offended by a word that they use so easily? The only reason to be offended by it would be if it were said in a derogatory way agree? If you can agree with that, then why would they be up in arms over a flag that isnt being used in a derogatory way? That's my point.....whether you agree or not.
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I'm not ascribing the "we should use it" to you. I was using an example (should white people decide that the n-word isn't offensive, against the wishes of black people?) that had a flaw, which is that black people use the word too. I was hoping that people would put aside the flaw and address my example. But predictably, someone pointed out the flaw immediately. So I said ok, yes, black people use it, but aside from that would you be okay with white people making that decision (that it's not offensive)? I expected a "no," which was my point--that white people shouldn't be the ones deciding. I don't think you're arguing that you should be able to use the word or are racist or anything like that.

Your point is a great point. I think the problem is that it's hard for some to see the flag in a non-derogatory way. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but honestly, I think the appearance of the flag (essentially an X) contributes to that somewhat.
 
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I'm glad I'm learning about some of the crazy sh*t that's going on, though. Now I can actually laugh at these types of posts I'm seeing on Facebook instead of wondering whether they're trivializing the state capital issue.
 
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VKAman said:
I'm not ascribing the "we should use it" to you. I was using an example (should white people decide that the n-word isn't offensive, against the wishes of black people?) that had a flaw, which is that black people use the word too. I was hoping that people would put aside the flaw and address my example. But predictably, someone pointed out the flaw immediately. So I said ok, yes, black people use it, but aside from that would you be okay with white people making that decision (that it's not offensive)? I expected a "no," which was my point--that white people shouldn't be the ones deciding. I don't think you're arguing that you should be able to use the word or are racist or anything like that.

Your point is a great point. I think the problem is that it's hard for some to see the flag in a non-derogatory way. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but honestly, I think the appearance of the flag (essentially an X) contributes to that somewhat.
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Determining or judging whether or not something is offensive to someone is not important IMO. I am arguing that anyone should be able to use whatever word they want.

I just dont understand why its hard for some to see the flag in a non-derogatory way while at the same time using a word often that they would deem derogatory from anyone of another color. It just like theres a "we are offended by this, but dont care if you are offended by something we do" mentality that is further being fueled by the media.

It's sad that this flag issue gets exponentially more attention than the fact that 9 people were murdered......the latter is an afterthought, if any thought at all.
 
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VKAman said:
"Breaking news: white people have now decided that the word 'n*gger' is not offensive. It will now be used in everyday conversation, without any input from black people because, hey, they're not the majority. They should just man up."

You a fan of that one too?
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Listening to black people talk they already voted yes on that one
 
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BearCat204 said:
Determining or judging whether or not something is offensive to someone is not important IMO. I am arguing that anyone should be able to use whatever word they want.

I just dont understand why its hard for some to see the flag in a non-derogatory way while at the same time using a word often that they would deem derogatory from anyone of another color. It just like theres a "we are offended by this, but dont care if you are offended by something we do" mentality that is further being fueled by the media.

It's sad that this flag issue gets exponentially more attention than the fact that 9 people were murdered......the latter is an afterthought, if any thought at all.
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I think it's a little different. With the word, it's the oppressed (or descendants of them) appropriating the word, changing the ending (I know plenty of people think the -a vs. -er thing is stupid, and I don't necessarily disagree) and using it in a less harmful way. With the flag, it's the oppressors (/descendants), some of whom DO use the flag in a derogatory way, saying, "Trust us, it's just a heritage thing." And of course, even the ones that use it in a derogatory way aren't going to admit to it most of the time--they'll say the same Southern pride/heritage stuff--so it's hard to determine when it's being used in an offensive way and when it's not.

However, I don't think "we can offend you but you can't offend us" is an accurate representation of the mentality. I don't think black people think they're offending or sticking it to white people by using the word among themselves.

Last paragraph is true. Most people I know are much more concerned about the shooting (or, more accurately, the churches getting burned down after the shooting) than about the Dukes of Hazzard or whatever. That's a media-driven thing.
 
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