Fall of the Confederate Wall - Confederate Symbols Debate (Merged)

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YorkVol said:
But the minorities in the country see it as such, do their views matter? Can we e ever get to a place where we can address serious and divisive issues if we continue to insist our views matter more than other's? Will we ever start seeing things from someone else's perspective?

I know there isn't a real answer to this. ..
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You are now speaking for all minorities?

There is so much irony in your post.....

This flag has flown for a long damn time. Some crazy ass white lunatic has his picture made with it and now it's the cause of his crime.

Give me a damn break. The blacks I know don't give two ***** about that flag. They look at my actions as a man toward them and society.

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Vol8188 said:
Also, the north wasn't fighting to end slavery. I agree with that. But the south was fighting to preserve slavery. Therefore the only reason the confederate flag exists in the first place is slavery. And the only reason it's still relevant today is because the KKK adopted it to immediate blacks in the south.
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The South had no reason to fight if they were left to go in peace. Why preserve the Union?

Sidenote, where do you and/or your family hail from? You seem to have a lot of resentment towards the South in general.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The South had no reason to fight if they were left to go in peace. Why preserve the Union?

Sidenote, where do you and/or your family hail from? You seem to have a lot of resentment towards the South in general.
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Are you claiming you see no reason for preserving the union and we would be better off as two seperate nations? If you're not claiming that, then I don't think I need to explain "why save the union".

And the south only existed due to slavery. The flag you defend on came about because of slavery. So not only did the flag come about to protect slavery, but it was then adopted the KKK. From its beginning it has been a symbol of racism.

I have no resentment towards the south. I just don't try to change history like yourself. I grew up in Cumberland gap but my family is from Hazard, KY.
 
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Obsessed said:
You are now speaking for all minorities?

There is so much irony in your post.....

This flag has flown for a long damn time. Some crazy ass white lunatic has his picture made with it and now it's the cause of his crime.

Give me a damn break. The blacks I know don't give two ***** about that flag. They look at my actions as a man toward them and society.

****.......
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That's the biggest issue, why now? Sure, people here and there have voiced their displeasure with it over the years but the media has never jumped on it like this and rallied the masses to this magnitude. The flag still symbolizes the same thing to the same people, depending on who you're talking to, as it did a month ago. As do the parks, monuments, buildings etc.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you claiming you see no reason for preserving the union and we would be better off as two seperate nations? If you're not claiming that, then I don't think I need to explain "why save the union".

And the south only existed due to slavery. The flag you defend on came about because of slavery. So not only did the flag come about to protect slavery, but it was then adopted the KKK. From its beginning it has been a symbol of racism.

I have no resentment towards the south. I just don't try to change history like yourself. I grew up in Cumberland gap but my family is from Hazard, KY.
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States were much more independent back then and many citizens considered themselves Virginians first and Americans second. So to answer your question, no I don't see a problem had 2 nations formed. The South clearly showed they were able to raise an army and defend themselves, they were able to contract with foreign nations for their needs on their own, they formed their own government for 4 years etc.

The South prospered because of slavery, it didn't exist because of slavery. Sweatshop textile mills in NE existed because of the South and its unique ability to grow a crop that few places in the world could grow. Large scale cotton and tobacco production is still an integral fabric of the South today. You think without a war we're still hand picking cotton today and slavery is still alive and well? Were Southerners so stupid that no one among them would ultimately mechanize the cotton industry?
 
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BeecherVol said:
It's the hot topic that gets attention from many angles. It will die off pretty quick and you will still have hate filled people on both sides and flags flying.

I've seen more flags in the last week than I've seen in the last year.
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Your last sentence rings so true. I spent last week on the road in western KY and west TN and flags on pickups were out in full force. I spent the weekend in Rock Island, TN in Warren County and two doors down from our lake house was a man who has weekend "yard sales". He sells knives, flags, license plates and other random things, among them are Confederate flags. He purchased 120 Confederate flags for resell at the beginning of the week. By the 4th he had sold every single one!
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
You think without a war we're still hand picking cotton today and slavery is still alive and well? Were Southerners so stupid that no one among them would ultimately mechanize the cotton industry?
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When did cotton picking become mechanized? There was ample financial impetus to mechanize it for at least a hundred years. Yet, it wasn't. Everyone was too "stupid" to mechanize the cotton industry until 75 years or more after the civil war.
 
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Danl said:
When did cotton picking become mechanized? There was ample financial impetus to mechanize it for at least a hundred years. Yet, it wasn't. Everyone was too "stupid" to mechanize the cotton industry until 75 years or more after the civil war.
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The first cotton picker was patented in 1850 and the first stripper was patented in 1871. In the early 1930's a couple of MS farmers developed the precursor to today's picker and it was able to harvest 8000 lbs/day compared to the 450 lbs/day that an experienced laborer could do. The first full scale commercialized picker was made available for sale in 1944. You're right, there was an incentive to develop one as soon as possible, and even in the time of free slave labor those efforts were being made.

Mechanical harvesting is used on a very minute scale in the U.S. citrus industry today and instead still relies predominantly on hand harvesting. Is that a result of everyone still being too stupid, everyone being racists who'd rather rely on migrant labor or the fact that the technology takes time to arrive and perfect?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The first cotton picker was patented in 1850 and the first stripper was patented in 1871. In the early 1930's a couple of MS farmers developed the precursor to today's picker and it was able to harvest 8000 lbs/day compared to the 450 lbs/day that an experienced laborer could do. The first full scale commercialized picker was made available for sale in 1944. You're right, there was an incentive to develop one as soon as possible, and even in the time of free slave labor those efforts were being made.

There are those on this board that believe cotton picking was on the very cusp of being mechanized in the 1860s and ,therefore, slavery was going to be phased out very soon. That just isn't true.

Mechanical harvesting is used on a very minute scale in the U.S. citrus industry today and instead still relies predominantly on hand harvesting. Is that a result of everyone still being too stupid,

Yes.

everyone being racists who'd rather rely on migrant labor or the fact that the technology takes time to arrive and perfect?
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Danl said:
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I don't think anyone has said that nor hinted at that. Slavery would've undoubtedly continued after the war or if there hadn't been a war, but in time it wouldn't have been the most efficient means. The guy who gets his crop out of the field first positions himself for a premium price and mitigates the potential loss of his crop due to environmental factors from standing in the field too long.

Maybe your wiseness could lead you to developing that efficient mechanical citrus harvester the industry has been so greatly lacking due to stupidity?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I don't think anyone has said that nor hinted at that.

You are mistaken. There was a long exchange among several posters in a different civil war thread a few months back on exactly that point.

Slavery would've undoubtedly continued after the war or if there hadn't been a war, but in time it wouldn't have been the most efficient means. The guy who gets his crop out of the field first positions himself for a premium price and mitigates the potential loss of his crop due to environmental factors from standing in the field too long.

Maybe your wiseness could lead you to developing that efficient mechanical citrus harvester the industry has been so greatly lacking due to stupidity?
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My wiseness keeps me very happy and busy traveling and flyfishing. IDGAS about who or what is harvesting oranges.
 
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Danl said:
You must really GAS as you suggested how I should spend my time, i.e. inventing an orange harvester.
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Guess you haven't caught on to being a smartass?

But seeing as how you've called everyone prior to the invention of a piece of equipment an idiot, I thought maybe you could do better. Or you could always run your mouth and reveal your idiocy. But who cares, go catch a salmon on the fly.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Guess you haven't caught on to being a smartass?

But seeing as how you've called everyone prior to the invention of a piece of equipment an idiot, I thought maybe you could do better. Or you could always run your mouth and reveal your idiocy. But who cares, go catch a salmon on the fly.
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Oh, I know what a smartass is.

I also know what a dumbass is.

You're not a smartass.
 
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