Fall of the Confederate Wall - Confederate Symbols Debate (Merged)

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Obsessed said:
These two gentlemen went to a WalMart and asked the manager where they could buy a General Lee toy car. The manager looked at them, laughed, and said they wouldn't be selling any items with the Confederate flag because it represented racism, slavery, and oppression.

The two gentlemen left .... then came back with a General Lee replica!! They sat outside WalMart for four hours in the car, waving the Confederate flag, and telling shoppers to take their business somewhere else because they felt discriminated against.
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Ha! Those racist rednecks......oh wait..
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, because wars can only be faught over things that are illegal. Are you serious right now?

It's a well established fact that the election of an antislavery president along with new territories being free states lead to the south seceding.
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He had no intentions of messing with the institution of slavery and said the Constitution didn't afford him that opportunity anyway.

It's not been or being banned, the President has no intention to do so and other states with slavery went on about their business and didn't secede. What issue about slavery drove some states to secede but not others, namely Maryland, who had roughly the same number of slaves as Arkansas?

So again, what about slavery was worth fighting over?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
He had no intentions of messing with the institution of slavery and said the Constitution didn't afford him that opportunity anyway.

It's not been or being banned, the President has no intention to do so and other states with slavery went on about their business and didn't secede. What issue about slavery drove some states to secede but not others, namely Maryland, who had roughly the same number of slaves as Arkansas?

So again, what about slavery was worth fighting over?
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Lincoln's stance on slavery, and his view on blacks was interesting to say the least.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I guess you're going to now back down from your claim. Thanks for wasting my time.
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Did you know that Lincoln hated blacks so much that he wanted to free the slaves and have them all transferred to Central American simply because his thoughts were that they wouldn't fit in our society?

Is that racist? ....and the U.S. has monuments and things named after him. But yet, let's get rid of the CSA FLAG because it's a symbol of racism.

LMFAO.......yeah whatever.
 
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Lincoln:
July 10, 1858: Speech at Chicago, Illinois

I have said a hundred times, and I have now no inclination to take it back, that I believe there is no right, and ought to be no inclination in the people of the free States to enter into the slave States, and interfere with the question of slavery at all.


Lincoln: October 16, 1854: Speech at Peoria, Illinois

When southern people tell us they are no more responsible for the origin of slavery, than we; I acknowledge the fact. When it is said that the institution exists; and that it is very difficult to get rid of it, in any satisfactory way, I can understand and appreciate the saying. I surely will not blame them for not doing what I should not know how to do myself. If all earthly power were given me, I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, -- to their own native land. But a moment's reflection would convince me, that whatever of high hope, (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible. If they were all landed there in a day, they would all perish in the next ten days; and there are not surplus shipping and surplus money enough in the world to carry them there in many times ten days. What then? Free them all, and keep them among us as underlings? Is it quite certain that this betters their condition? I think I would not hold one in slavery, at any rate; yet the point is not clear enough for me to denounce people upon. What next? Free them, and make them politically and socially, our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not.
 
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Funny how some loons on here screech for facts and once said facts are presented, they take their ball and go home. ****** libturds.
 
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It's funny how many of you deny the reason slave states left the union was slavery.

"It was state rights damnit!"

"What right is that?"

"The right to own slaves!"
 
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AirVol said:
Did you know that Lincoln hated blacks so much that he wanted to free the slaves and have them all transferred to Central American simply because his thoughts were that they wouldn't fit in our society?

Is that racist? ....and the U.S. has monuments and things named after him. But yet, let's get rid of the CSA FLAG because it's a symbol of racism.

LMFAO.......yeah whatever.
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The flag only came about to defend slavery. If not for the souths attempt to save slavery that flag wouldn't exist. Yes, it is 100% a symbol of racism. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that.
 
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Vol8188 said:
When the majority of racist you've known flew a confederate flag, then yes it does mean something. It means there is a good chance the person flying the flag is a racist also.
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wow.

So because the teachers in inner cities cannot capably teach their students to read past the third grade level, does that then mean that most teachers cannot teach their students to read past the third grade level?



Stereotype much?
 
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For those who deny that the primary reason was slavery do a google search of quotes from that time. I put a link in earlier if you want to look. The freaking VP of the confederacy said it was about slavery. The main drivers of the secession movement are quoted as saying as much as well. You can quote Lincoln all you want. Was he cool with the idea of slave states continuing to be such? Yes. Was his plan that he would not allow it to spread? Yes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The flag only came about to defend slavery. If not for the souths attempt to save slavery that flag wouldn't exist. Yes, it is 100% a symbol of racism. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that.
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Dude you have lost your mind.

Why aren't chains, whips, ropes symbols? Why doesn't Walmart take that off the shelves.

Destroy all Lincoln memorials while we're at it too.
Give all your pennies to charity too.
 
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Obsessed said:
Last numbers I read up on we're over 70% stating as such.

So please, stop with the BS. Quit telling us the flag is a racist symbol by the majority in the country.
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But the minorities in the country see it as such, do their views matter? Can we e ever get to a place where we can address serious and divisive issues if we continue to insist our views matter more than other's? Will we ever start seeing things from someone else's perspective?

I know there isn't a real answer to this. ..
 
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AirVol said:
Dude you have lost your mind.

Why aren't chains, whips, ropes symbols? Why doesn't Walmart take that off the shelves.

Destroy all Lincoln memorials while we're at it too.
Give all your pennies to charity too.
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Because they were neither designed for slavery, nor was it the only purpose of those things. But thanks for asking a 2nd grade question.

And as far as Lincoln goes, he may not meet the 21st centuries definition of racially tolerant. But he did free the slaves, save the union, and die in office for doing so. So I think he does deserve some respect (as does any other sane person).
 
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volfanhill said:
For those who deny that the primary reason was slavery do a google search of quotes from that time. I put a link in earlier if you want to look. The freaking VP of the confederacy said it was about slavery. The main drivers of the secession movement are quoted as saying as much as well. You can quote Lincoln all you want. Was he cool with the idea of slave states continuing to be such? Yes. Was his plan that he would not allow it to spread? Yes.
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Ok, fine we'll give you they left over slavery. Why was the war started then? Without Lincoln demanding they stay for revenue purposes then there's no war and there's no flag. Just let them go. You think he tried to keep them because he didn't want them having slaves?
 
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YorkVol said:
But the minorities in the country see it as such, do their views matter? Can we e ever get to a place where we can address serious and divisive issues if we continue to insist our views matter more than other's? Will we ever start seeing things from someone else's perspective?

I know there isn't a real answer to this. ..
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Empathy is a challenge. All the way around.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Ok, fine we'll give you they left over slavery. Why was the war started then? Without Lincoln demanding they stay for revenue purposes then there's no war and there's no flag. Just let them go. You think he tried to keep them because he didn't want them having slaves?
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To preserve the union. The union that was ripped apart by slavery.

You're welcome.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Ok, fine we'll give you they left over slavery. Why was the war started then? Without Lincoln demanding they stay for revenue purposes then there's no war and there's no flag. Just let them go. You think he tried to keep them because he didn't want them having slaves?
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Also, the north wasn't fighting to end slavery. I agree with that. But the south was fighting to preserve slavery. Therefore the only reason the confederate flag exists in the first place is slavery. And the only reason it's still relevant today is because the KKK adopted it to immediate blacks in the south.
 
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YorkVol said:
But the minorities in the country see it as such, do their views matter? Can we e ever get to a place where we can address serious and divisive issues if we continue to insist our views matter more than other's? Will we ever start seeing things from someone else's perspective?

I know there isn't a real answer to this. ..
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If you can ever grab ahold of the hate root you can get somewhere.
Right now we re grasping at twigs that grow back.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because they were neither designed for slavery, nor was it the only purpose of those things. But thanks for asking a 2nd grade question.



And as far as Lincoln goes, he may not meet the 21st centuries definition of racially tolerant. But he did free the slaves, save the union, and die in office for doing so. So I think he does deserve some respect (as does any other sane person).
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Sometimes we all have to stoop to a 2 nd grade level to get a point across to you. Glad you understand that now.
 
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