2015 NBA Pre-Draft Thread

#102
#102
GahLee said:
Did Manu ever get a max deal? Put Manu on ANY other team during his career and he's an afterthought.
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It didn't have to be Ginobili, though. It's not really about Ginobili, it's about using maximizing all 240 minutes.

It can be anyone. It could be Kyrie coming off the bench. Just offset your personnel so that you manage your stengths and weaknesses well at any given moment in the game.

I know you guys agree with this philosophy. I feel like I'm speaking Chinese.
 
#104
#104
n_huffhines said:
It didn't have to be Ginobili, though. It's not really about Ginobili, it's about using maximizing all 240 minutes.

It can be anyone. It could be Kyrie coming off the bench. Just offset your personnel so that you manage your stengths and weaknesses well at any given moment in the game.

I know you guys agree with this philosophy. I feel like I'm speaking Chinese.
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It's a lot harder when the player in question is playing 36mpg, every game is highly scrutinized, said player is making over $15M, and a perennial all star.
 
#105
#105
n_huffhines said:
K, but point being, they are playing their best ball right now with 4 defenders in the starting lineup, and they were seen as under-achievers when they were starting 4 scorers.
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They had the second best record and best offense after the trade. You act like they won 40 games and made a change. They were playing great with Love. They are playing well now.
 
#106
#106
When the Lakers moved Odom to the bench, that made them champs. EVERYBODY in the media tried to make something of it. Odom being unhappy on the bench. They needled at the Lakers for years, and finally Odom went crazy.

Love didn't even go to the bench, he just didn't get shots and the media started on him like this. I can't imagine what they would do if Love went to the bench. I blame the media for him leaving, too. He might have been content to stay. Probably not.
 
#107
#107
n_huffhines said:
You're crazy. He was a 2-way guard that could play the point, rebound, score on anyone, and shoot the 3. Dude was amazing.
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And his idea of defense was to flop. And he averaged less than 4 rebounds a game. He boards at an average rate.
 
#108
#108
zjcvols said:
They had the second best record and best offense after the trade. You act like they won 40 games and made a change. They were playing great with Love. They are playing well now.
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I think we mostly agree, we just don't know what each other's points are.

Does Love make them a better team? Yes.

Is he worth max $ to them? Not the way they use him.

Is Thompson better than Love. No. But Thompson is very good and a better fit with starters.

Why are the Cavs playing as well as ever right now without Love? It's because Thompson is a better fit, so they keep winning. Now add Love to the bench, and they could be favorites. That would take them from "decent bench" to "great bench".
 
#111
#111
n_huffhines said:
I think we mostly agree, we just don't know what each other's points are.

Does Love make them a better team? Yes.

Is he worth max $ to them? Not the way they use him.

Is Thompson better than Love. No. But Thompson is very good and a better fit with starters.

Why are the Cavs playing as well as ever right now without Love? It's because Thompson is a better fit, so they keep winning. Now add Love to the bench, and they could be favorites. That would take them from "decent bench" to "great bench".
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Why can't Thompson be better? He's a much better defenser. He's boarding as well right now and doesn't need 16 shots to have an impact.
 
#113
#113
GahLee said:
Why can't Thompson be better? He's a much better defenser. He's boarding as well right now and doesn't need 16 shots to have an impact.
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He can conceivably be a better player. I didn't say he couldn't be. He even had a slightly better year than Love. If you can get Love his shots, it's no contest.
 
#114
#114
n_huffhines said:
Do you know what rate means?
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Christ. The King of semantics. How many rebounds did he average? Less than 4? He wasn't a terrific rebounder. He was average. And he played zero defense.

He did do something Love couldn't though, be the 3rd wheel on a great team. So I'll give him that.
 
#115
#115
n_huffhines said:
He can conceivably be a better player. I didn't say he couldn't be. He even had a slightly better year than Love. If you can get Love his shots, it's no contest.
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Says the guy that always argues against scoring as the main metric in gauging a player.
 
#116
#116
Just admit that Kevin Love is on equal footing of the Carmelo Anthony's of the world. A talented player that doesn't know how to lead a team but refuses to take a secondary role.

Somebody will give him a massive contract and that team will be playing for 8 seeds unless he's paired with a better player that can lead a team.
 
#117
#117
GahLee said:
Says the guy that always argues against scoring as the main metric in gauging a player.
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I argue against PPG as the main metric because efficiency matters most.

In this case, I am saying get more shots to efficient scorers.

Why would these positions be mutually exclusive?
 
#118
#118
GahLee said:
Christ. The King of semantics. How many rebounds did he average? Less than 4? He wasn't a terrific rebounder. He was average. And he played zero defense.
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It's kind of embarrassing that you said rate, and then when I gave you the true rate, you basically said that rate doesn't matter.

I'll let it slide, just walk away.
 
#119
#119
n_huffhines said:
I argue against PPG as the main metric because efficiency matters most.

In this case, I am saying get more shots to efficient scorers.

Why would these positions be mutually exclusive?
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Maybe if he could do more than shoot spot up 3's he could get more shots. and if he could play a lick of defense maybe he could have an impact without having to shoot.
 
#120
#120
n_huffhines said:
I think we mostly agree, we just don't know what each other's points are.

Does Love make them a better team? Yes.

Is he worth max $ to them? Not the way they use him.

Is Thompson better than Love. No. But Thompson is very good and a better fit with starters.

Why are the Cavs playing as well as ever right now without Love? It's because Thompson is a better fit, so they keep winning. Now add Love to the bench, and they could be favorites. That would take them from "decent bench" to "great bench".
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Yeah but you still want to play Love 36 minutes per game. Now you want to play him 20 minutes per game, yeah that probably helps some, but that's impossible. Also, I think this is interesting.

LeBron last 10 regular season games: Shot 47.2/37.2/, getting to the line 5.7 per game.

LeBron three playoff games before Love injury (not counting Game 4): 48.5/23.1/82.4 (getting to the line 5.7 times)

LeBron since Game 4 of the Celtics: 40.9/11.1/77.6, getting to the line 7.3 times.

Now the playoffs are tougher as they go along, but LeBron has never shot that bad in the playoffs.

Also

ORating in regular season: 111.1 (3rd)

DRating in regular season: 106.3 (18th)

Their Orating when they got Mosgov in the regular season: 113.6

Their Orating since Love left Game 4 of the Boston series: 111.0

Their DRating when they got Mosgov in the regular season: 105.7

Their DRating since Love left Game 4 of the Boston series: 104.3

Not so I'm not sure your idea of "They are playing four good defenders" is the reason they are playing well. I think they are playing well because the acquisitions have helped and they have LeBron.
 
#121
#121
BTW Gahlee, what does the average SG get per game, if that is your metric for judging Ginobili? You said he's average, but do you actually know what average is?
 
#122
#122
n_huffhines said:
It's kind of embarrassing that you said rate, and then when I gave you the true rate, you basically said that rate doesn't matter.

I'll let it slide, just walk away.
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When I said rate, I didn't mean what would he average had he played every minute of every game. Because nobody does that. I meant what he ACTUALLY did while in the game.

Which was average.

Arguing semantics is an act of desperation, I wouldn't expect any less from you.
 
#123
#123
GahLee said:
When I said rate, I didn't mean what would he average had he played every minute of every game. Because nobody does that. I meant what he ACTUALLY did while in the game.

Which was average.

Arguing semantics is an act of desperation, I wouldn't expect any less from you.
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That's not what it means. It's not semantics, it's meaningful math. Per game average doesn't mean much in comparison cause everybody plays a different number of minutes. That's you you look at per minute rate.

If he played 24 minutes, he'd get 3.4 rebounds. If he played 8 minutes, he'd get 1.13 rebounds. The average SG would get just 0.9.

It's a rate, so you can make it small and manageable and it holds true.
 
#124
#124
n_huffhines said:
BTW Gahlee, what does the average SG get per game, if that is your metric for judging Ginobili? You said he's average, but do you actually know what average is?
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If you take his career average and throw it in with what SG's of 2015 did, he'd be middle of the pack for starting SG's. Or average.
 
#125
#125
I don't get anyone's argument honestly and it might be because i'm pretty disoriented from all this medical stuff, but basically Kevin Love is a really good player who didn't fit great but still had a nice season with a very successful team season. The reason Cleveland can cover for Love is because Tristian Thompson is really, really good and they can replace some of what Love does offensively with the best player in the association in LeBron James
 
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