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n_huffhines said:
You're straying from the point. Just because cops deal with more confrontations, doesn't mean they are allowed to play by a different set of rules. In fact, they have professional training so that they can keep situations like this from getting out of hand.

When they escalate a situation, "they deal with this more than you" is not an excuse. In fact, it means they should have the experience, training, and presence of mind to de-escalate.

But nope, he destroyed private property and you are looking for any reason to defend his terrible behavior.
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I defend them even more now after reading more of the story.....that wasn't a regular cop.....it was a US Marshall.......if a US Marshall is there, it is not to hand out a ticket.....the dumb b*tch needed to move out of the way before she got herself or someone else killed.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh?

Care to retract your statement? As well as your BS 90% figure? Because you know better. It does make you a sad panda when you can't argue with me.
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That's not calling him a spade. That's rewording, "I'm not defending him".

He's a bad cop. He's a dick. He's entitled. He doesn't deserve to wear the badge. That's calling a spade a spade.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's not calling him a spade. That's rewording, "I'm not defending him".

He's a bad cop. He's a dick. He's entitled. He doesn't deserve to wear the badge. That's calling a spade a spade.
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Calling him a spade might get me (yet another) racist label. And saying he was not justified in his actions = was not right, was wrong, etc. The implication being:

Dude snatched the phone out of her hand, was not justified in doing so, ergo, was wrong to do so.

Does that clear it up?
 
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Are you on mobile or something and can't see that I linked to a post I made yesterday stating he wasn't justified?

And really, why are you trying to pick a fight?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Calling him a spade might get me (yet another) racist label. And saying he was not justified in his actions = was not right, was wrong, etc. The implication being:

Dude snatched the phone out of her hand, was not justified in doing so, ergo, was wrong to do so.

Does that clear it up?
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I know where you stand on the matter. You've made that clear. I just didn't get the spade comment but I guess by that you meant you are willing to admit there are some cases where cops misbehave. I've never heard you badmouth a cop.

I get pissed when there are bad cops and bad teachers, partly because I have family members that I like to think of as awesome teachers and cops who suffer tarnished reputations because of the bad actors. What I don't get is cops don't seem to feel this way. They should be the first ones condemning bad cops that disrespect the badge.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I really don't know how they are paid or how they choose to take cases.
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The problem is prosecutors have an almost unlimited authority to spend on prosecutions then turn around and use their felony conviction rate as a reason to re-elect them. If the defendant got the same amount of money to spend in their defense I think we would see less of these felony plea deals. You know the ones that should have been handled as misdemeanors from the beginning.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know where you stand on the matter. You've made that clear. I just didn't get the spade comment but I guess by that you meant you are willing to admit there are some cases where cops misbehave. I've never heard you badmouth a cop.

I get pissed when there are bad cops and bad teachers, partly because I have family members that I like to think of as awesome teachers and cops who suffer tarnished reputations because of the bad actors. What I don't get is cops don't seem to feel this way. They should be the first ones condemning bad cops that disrespect the badge.
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They do. But just like family problems, many if not most of them won't speak in public about such matters. They do condemn the actions, but generally to each other.

It may not make sense of why, but cops are no different than many other professions. They'd much prefer to keep their skeletons in the closet just as much as the next guy or gal.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They do. But just like family problems, many if not most of them won't speak in public about such matters. They do condemn the actions, but generally to each other.

It may not make sense of why, but cops are no different than many other professions. They'd much prefer to keep their skeletons in the closet just as much as the next guy or gal.
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I don't really get it. My profession is internet marketing and I f-ing hate shady, black hat marketers.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I don't have a problem with people filming the police but u don't interject yourself into the middle of a police action like the lady who got her phone broken.
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I agree with this..... Film them but keep your mouth shut while doing it. Why poke the hornets nest?
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't really get it. My profession is internet marketing and I f-ing hate shady, black hat marketers.
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How easy would it be for you to go out in public and say a member of your family was completely out of line and made a mistake that cost a person their life? How about the rest of your family? Would they be willing to go before the world and condemn those actions?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I defend them even more now after reading more of the story.....that wasn't a regular cop.....it was a US Marshall.......if a US Marshall is there, it is not to hand out a ticket.....the dumb b*tch needed to move out of the way before she got herself or someone else killed.
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Keys words here..... Dumb b*tch
 
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Grand Vol said:
How easy would it be for you to go out in public and say a member of your family was completely out of line and made a mistake that cost a person their life? How about the rest of your family? Would they be willing to go before the world and condemn those actions?
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These guys can't comprehend the fraternity
 
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Grand Vol said:
How easy would it be for you to go out in public and say a member of your family was completely out of line and made a mistake that cost a person their life? How about the rest of your family? Would they be willing to go before the world and condemn those actions?
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Is this a real question? You don't know these people you are calling family. For all you know, the person you are calling family is scum of the earth.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Is this a real question? You don't know these people you are calling family. For all you know, the person you are calling family is scum of the earth.
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It's a figurative term Huff. Band of brotherhood kind of thing. Point being that the bonds between cops are not unlike the same bonds that form in the military. When you trust someone to protect your life while they in turn trust you to protect theirs, a bond will form.

And good, bad or indifferent, it's hard to admit someone you trusted with your life did something really horrible. It's embarrassing. And you don't want to go out in the public and blab about it.
 
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I mean, I get that Grand would back up the guys he's worked closely with, but why is this dude his "family"?

Ex-West Sac police officer found guilty of rape, kidnapping

I mean, he says it's a brotherhood because he trusts all cops with his life, but so do I, whether I want to or not, and so does every other American. I don't feel like anyone is family unless I know them like family.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It's a figurative term Huff. Band of brotherhood kind of thing. Point being that the bonds between cops are not unlike the same bonds that form in the military. When you trust someone to protect your life while they in turn trust you to protect theirs, a bond will form.

And good, bad or indifferent, it's hard to admit someone you trusted with your life did something really horrible. It's embarrassing. And you don't want to go out in the public and blab about it.
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If a "brother" of mine falsified an official report which would undoubtedly result in an obstruction of justice... I'm pretty sure that would cease him being any brother of mine.

And then when you consider the possibility of beating or shooting a citizen of our nation and then lying about it?

It's disgusting to even see thinly veiled defenses anywhere about this. Cops should be held to a higher level of expectation in adherence to the law... they shouldn't be above it.

The US is about to get a very rude awakening into how the Police operate with the proliferation of individually filmed interactions with the cops. Cops should not only have body cams on all the time, the should also be filmed by bystanders whenever possible.
 
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Huff, I'd love to explain it more in depth about the term family and how it would apply, but it doesn't matter what I say or how well I explain it, someone will take it out of context, twist it around and use it in ways that I don't intend just like above. And frankly it just isn't worth the trouble.

And the fact I'm in Walmart trying not to get run over by old people on those motorized carts like Hog drives around is another reason.
 
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grand vol said:
huff, i'd love to explain it more in depth about the term family and how it would apply, but it doesn't matter what i say or how well i explain it, someone will take it out of context, twist it around and use it in ways that i don't intend just like above. And frankly it just isn't worth the trouble.

And the fact i'm in walmart trying not to get run over by old people on those motorized carts like hog drives around is another reason.
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wtf?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Huff, I'd love to explain it more in depth about the term family and how it would apply, but it doesn't matter what I say or how well I explain it, someone will take it out of context, twist it around and use it in ways that I don't intend just like above. And frankly it just isn't worth the trouble.
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What exactly did I twist and take out of context?
 
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