Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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mrorange211 said:
!!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
Climate deniers are dumb
and have been since................
fox news began Oct 6, 1996.
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You do understand what a climate is, right? I believe you have an issue with those that aren't buying that only man can be responsible for the horrendous half-degree Celsius bump in 150 years.

Carry on.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!
The climate is changing
And has been since......


















The beginning of time
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Non sequitur

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tumscalcium said:
You do understand what a climate is, right? I believe you have an issue with those that aren't buying that only man can be responsible for the horrendous half-degree Celsius bump in 150 years.

Carry on.
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My issue absolutely is with those that continue to deny science because they choose to keep their head in the sand. Their isn't a 'truth' to be exposed here: the planet is warming and it has to do with us.
 
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tumscalcium said:
You do understand what a climate is, right? I believe you have an issue with those that aren't buying that only man can be responsible for the horrendous half-degree Celsius bump in 150 years.

Carry on.
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Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age.

Mainly CO2 was involved in the change of Earth's climate in the past. When those gases reduced, the planet got cooler. When CO2 levels rose quickly, the global warming that occurred led to mass extinction events. Humans today are emitting massive quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past. This has occurred collectively since around 1860, but we only began to see the effects in our atmosphere, severely, in the 1970's when the Earth suddenly went from cooling to warming.

I like science. Not bull$hit.
 
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mrorange211 said:
Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age.

Mainly CO2 was involved in the change of Earth's climate in the past. When those gases reduced, the planet got cooler. When CO2 levels rose quickly, the global warming that occurred led to mass extinction events. Humans today are emitting massive quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past. This has occurred collectively since around 1860, but we only began to see the effects in our atmosphere, severely, in the 1970's when the Earth suddenly went from cooling to warming.

I like science. Not bull$hit.
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Well, I hope your doomsday bunker is tops.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I mean, what's someone going to learn from someone who decided that his best option in life is to become a teacher? Because, as you stated, those you can do, and those you can't teach. We don't make much money because we aren't worth that much money.

So, let me be honest with you now, because it will be the last time I converse with you on this board:

I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could. I can make a D feel like the best grade in the world to the struggling kid, and an A not seem nearly good enough to the kid that I know needs to be challenged. What do I make? I make 90+ students listen to my lectures for 90 minutes every day without one of them saying a word. I make parents fearful when i call home to discuss their kids performance, which is followed with either strict consternation to the kid or high praise simply because of my remarks. I tell the parents about how their child stood up to a bully in class today, or let a girl have the last piece of pizza. I inform parents of the wonderful people there children are becoming, or I let them know how we could all do better. I make kids question, criticize, apologize. I make them write essays that would make anything you write look like a comic strip (not hard). I make them read the Scarlet Letter, All Quiet on the Western Front, Catcher in the Rye, Great Gatsby, and other great works of literature to appreciate the depths of the human mind, and to realize that they too are capable of magnificent things. I teach them to spell 'definitely' and understand the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

But most importantly, I teach kids that they have a brain and they should follow their heart, and if someone tries to judge them based on what they make or what profession they chose to pursue to ignore the haters and do what they love on the few journeys they have around the sun.

What do I do, sir? I make a damn difference every day I go into work, and I dedicate my life to helping those students that need it the most. How dare you?
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Now that you've polished yourself off have a cookie
 
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mrorange211 said:
I mean, what's someone going to learn from someone who decided that his best option in life is to become a teacher? Because, as you stated, those you can do, and those you can't teach. We don't make much money because we aren't worth that much money.

So, let me be honest with you now, because it will be the last time I converse with you on this board:

I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could. I can make a D feel like the best grade in the world to the struggling kid, and an A not seem nearly good enough to the kid that I know needs to be challenged. What do I make? I make 90+ students listen to my lectures for 90 minutes every day without one of them saying a word. I make parents fearful when i call home to discuss their kids performance, which is followed with either strict consternation to the kid or high praise simply because of my remarks. I tell the parents about how their child stood up to a bully in class today, or let a girl have the last piece of pizza. I inform parents of the wonderful people there children are becoming, or I let them know how we could all do better. I make kids question, criticize, apologize. I make them write essays that would make anything you write look like a comic strip (not hard). I make them read the Scarlet Letter, All Quiet on the Western Front, Catcher in the Rye, Great Gatsby, and other great works of literature to appreciate the depths of the human mind, and to realize that they too are capable of magnificent things. I teach them to spell 'definitely' and understand the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

But most importantly, I teach kids that they have a brain and they should follow their heart, and if someone tries to judge them based on what they make or what profession they chose to pursue to ignore the haters and do what they love on the few journeys they have around the sun.

What do I do, sir? I make a damn difference every day I go into work, and I dedicate my life to helping those students that need it the most. How dare you?
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I applaud the passion that you exhibit in defending your chosen profession, and the obvious pride that you feel in affecting the lives of children in a positive manner. However, the irony of teaching your kids to "understand the difference between there and their" didn't escape me.

I believe that the quote in your third paragraph reads "I inform parents of the wonderful people (THERE) children are becoming." Absolutely priceless.

Have a nice day. Sorry that you took my other post so seriously. I was just having fun with the George Bernard Shaw quote, and I obviously struck a nerve. I assumed that you would like a fellow Socialist's take, and the way that you dish it out on here, I thought that you could take it.

As for your denigration of my writing skills.......I ain't in school no more, teach.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I mean, what's someone going to learn from someone who decided that his best option in life is to become a teacher? Because, as you stated, those you can do, and those you can't teach. We don't make much money because we aren't worth that much money.

So, let me be honest with you now, because it will be the last time I converse with you on this board:

I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could. I can make a D feel like the best grade in the world to the struggling kid, and an A not seem nearly good enough to the kid that I know needs to be challenged. What do I make? I make 90+ students listen to my lectures for 90 minutes every day without one of them saying a word. I make parents fearful when i call home to discuss their kids performance, which is followed with either strict consternation to the kid or high praise simply because of my remarks. I tell the parents about how their child stood up to a bully in class today, or let a girl have the last piece of pizza. I inform parents of the wonderful people there children are becoming, or I let them know how we could all do better. I make kids question, criticize, apologize. I make them write essays that would make anything you write look like a comic strip (not hard). I make them read the Scarlet Letter, All Quiet on the Western Front, Catcher in the Rye, Great Gatsby, and other great works of literature to appreciate the depths of the human mind, and to realize that they too are capable of magnificent things. I teach them to spell 'definitely' and understand the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

But most importantly, I teach kids that they have a brain and they should follow their heart, and if someone tries to judge them based on what they make or what profession they chose to pursue to ignore the haters and do what they love on the few journeys they have around the sun.

What do I do, sir? I make a damn difference every day I go into work, and I dedicate my life to helping those students that need it the most. How dare you?
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I'm still having a good chuckle over the notion that the free radical reactions caused by CFCs that lead to ozone depletion aren't well understood and that the hole** thing could be a hoax.

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Interesting new paper published this week:

The Day After Tomorrow Might Kinda, Sorta Come True
In a blog post describing the study, lead author Stefan Rahmstorf of Potsdam University in Germany says this past winter’s pronounced cooling in the North Atlantic “suggests the decline of the circulation has progressed even further now than we documented in the paper.” Rahmstorf’s past work has focused on the impact of climate change on ocean circulations, particularly the thermohaline circulation, Earth’s primary oceanic “conveyor belt” circulation, which is driven by geographic differences in temperature and salinity. (Thermo=heat, haline=salt.) That’s the same mechanism The Day After Tomorrow identified as a tipping point in the global climate system. (By the way, Rahmstorf is also a fan of The Day After Tomorrow.) Since fresh, warm water is less dense than cold, salty water, scientists like Rahmstorf have long argued the thermohaline circulation may slow down as the climate warms and Arctic ice melts.

Monday’s study showed that process has likely already begun. In a press statement, Rahmstorf said, “we have detected strong evidence that the global conveyor has indeed been weakening in the past hundred years, particularly since 1970.”

In emails to Slate, both Box and Mann agreed Monday’s paper was one of the most important of their careers. “This is yet another example of where observations suggest that climate model predictions may be too conservative when it comes to the pace at which certain aspects of climate change are proceeding,” said Mann.
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Global warming is now slowing down the circulation of the oceans — with potentially dire consequences
One thing that will not happen from a shutdown of the circulation is a sudden, dramatic freezing of Europe. It will certainly cool, relative to a world in which the circulation remains robust — but that will be offset by rising average temperatures due to global warming, says Rahmstorf. The “Day After Tomorrow” scenario will not come to pass.

However, there are many other effects, ranging from dramatic impacts on fisheries to, perhaps most troubling of all, the potential for extra sea level rise in the North Atlantic region.

That may sound surprising, but here’s how it works. We’re starting out from a situation in which sea level is “anomalously low” off the U.S. east coast due to the motion of the Gulf Stream. This is for at least two reasons. First, explains Rahmstorf’s co-author Michael Mann of Penn State University, there’s the matter of temperature contrast: Waters to the right or east of the Gulf Stream, in the direction of Europe, are warmer than those on its left or west. Warm water expands and takes up more area than denser cold water, so sea level is also higher to the right side of the current, and lower off our coast.

“So if you weaken the ‘Gulf Stream’ and weaken that temperature contrast…sea level off the U.S. east coast will actually rise!” explains Mann by e-mail.

But there’s another factor, too, involving what is called the “geostrophic balance of forces” in the ocean. This gets wonky, but the bottom line result is that “sea surface slope perpendicular to any current flow, like the Gulf Stream, has a higher sea level on its right hand side, and the lower sea level on the left hand slide,” says Rahmstorf. (This would only be true in the northern hemisphere; in the southern it would be the opposite.)

We’re on the left hand side of the Gulf Stream. So weaken the flow, and you also raise the sea level. (For further explanation, see here, here, and here.)

Indeed, researchers recently found a sudden, 4-inch sea level rise of the U.S. East Coast in 2009 and 2010, which they attributed to a slowdown of the Atlantic overturning circulation. Rahmstorf says that “for a big breakdown of the circulation, [sea level rise] could amount to one meter, in addition to the global sea level rise that we’re expecting from global warming.”
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1972 Grad said:
Have a nice day. Sorry that you took my other post so seriously. I was just having fun with the George Bernard Shaw quote, and I obviously struck a nerve. I assumed that you would like a fellow Socialist's take, and the way that you dish it out on here, I thought that you could take it.
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When people try to demean the profession of teaching, I get mad. Especially since in most cases those people have no idea what it means to actually be a teacher. But even more especially when they use that same GBS quote to imply that I am not creative or good at what I do. Here's another quote by GBS: "A lifetime of happiness! No man alive could bear it: It would be hell on earth!" See a bit of cynicism there? If you had actually read GBS in any depth you would know that cynicism ran through his veins. The quote about teachers is par for the course concerning GBS.
 
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mrorange211 said:
When people try to demean the profession of teaching, I get mad. Especially since in most cases those people have no idea what it means to actually be a teacher. But even more especially when they use that same GBS quote to imply that I am not creative or good at what I do. Here's another quote by GBS: "A lifetime of happiness! No man alive could bear it: It would be hell on earth!" See a bit of cynicism there? If you had actually read GBS in any depth you would know that cynicism ran through his veins. The quote about teachers is par for the course concerning GBS.
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Speaking of teachers, I have been married to two of them.......one for 10 years, the other going on 28. As far as for my learnin', Paw let me quit school in the 3rd grade. Learn how to take a joke.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't comment on the irony of your there their mixup, but it is hard to multi-task. Typing while patting yourself on the back is difficult.

Another Shaw quote that you may enjoy goes something like this....
A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and art into pedantry. Hence, university education.
 
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TennTradition said:
I'm still having a good chuckle over the notion that the free radical reactions caused by CFCs that lead to ozone depletion aren't well understood and that the hole** thing could be a hoax.

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I get more of a chuckle out of people who don't understand the whole free radical thing but believe it anyway.
 
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Funny data I saw one time...it showed that like 90% of teachers think they are better than the average teacher. LOL
 
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