The meltdown that is happening on the Vandy message boards
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I don't know why this one was funnier to me than the others. I can just see them showing up to stuff like pipe bomb making 101 and people flunking out by blowing themselves up in class and fantasizing about hairy virgins as they study hard only to be taken out before they even finish their first semesters.
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Just wait until the first loss...there will be a long line of Negavols starting threads. I can see it now...
How much longer will we give Jones?
Is Jones in over his head?
Who should be our next coach?
Some of these so called fans are certifiably insane. I mean that they probably have undiagnosed mental disorders.
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based on what? even in the games where we got blown out I saw offensive plays that could have been with better players. Josh Smith missing easy catches vs Alabama in 13, Tight Ends doing the same. Offensive line literally not slowing down the defenders in 14. while he aint perfect I won't doom and gloom because he was outmatched.
Rather than go all internet tough guy, how about a little reasoned, honest analysis of his first 25 games here? Nothing crazy, just all the signature wins/games where you think his schemes and adjustments, where his coaching acumen either won us the game or kept us in a game vs a team with superior talent. And if you would, balance those examples with the games where we were either blown out, or lost when we clearly or likely should've won.
Smith missing 2 easy catches in the first half of a game vs Bama in 2013 when we were eventually down 35-0 at the half? Doubt either of those or Downs/Branisel dropping a 15 yd seam route had much impact on the outcome of that game.
Yes, our OL was awful last year, but at some point, when does Jones share any of the blame for that? And, in general, what were the schemes, adjustments or tactics we saw last year that kept us from losing by 24 to Oklahoma or by 31 to OleMiss? Our staff talked all week long about needing to contain and scheme for Amari Cooper before the Bama game....yet we fell behind 27-0 in a first half when Cooper had 5 catches for about 175 yds and 2 tds.
How about the Florida loss last year? How about barely beating the worst Vandy team, one of the worst D1 teams and easily the worst SEC team last year? How about that awful Vandy loss in 2013? Should I mention any of the 2013 blowout losses (by 49, 35, 28 and 32 Pts) where we evidently could find no way to control the tempo/pace of the game to any degree whatsoever despite having 4-5 NFL caliber OLs?
I'm just saying that I've seen very little evidence through 25 games from CBJ, that suggests he can game plan/scheme to keep us in or actually win games vs teams that we've not been favored to win. He's doing EVERYTHING right off the field, EVERYTHING. But for Tennessee to return to national relevance and annual top 10 rankings, he's gotta show he can do a lot more on the field IMHO.
No. With the talent he's accumulated to this point, he can and should get to 8-9 wins this year with the athletes he should be rightfully lauded for getting on the roster and on the field. 8-9 wins would be a good to very good season in 2015 and I'm willing to bet no one will call for his job as doing so would be absolutely stupid and unfair.
The question is, where does he rate in terms of being able have his team "outperform their talent"? What buttons can/does he push that either keeps us in a game vs a more talented team or wins a game when the talent is "even"? To me, the better coaches in college football today do it regularly....Snyder at KState, Dantonio at Mich St, Pinkel at Mizzou, Shaw at Stanford just to name a few.
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Um, at no point? He was forced to play guys out of position and two true freshmen. Blair didn't live up to his ranking. The OL is not his fault.
Oklahoma's pass rush annihilated our inexperienced OL in their first ever road game. A few busted plays go our way and the game is closer, but we had no chance winning that. Ole Miss was even worse. One of the best DLs in the nation, possibly THE best, against one of the worst OLs. No coach can scheme around that. Add in the fact that Worley was already banged up and that's the kind of score you get.
And are you seriously holding Cooper's performance against Jones? Cooper was likely THE best player in college football last year and Bama had a talent advantage at almost every individual matchup.
The UF loss was bad, no way around it. I hated the playcalling in that game and I'll give you that one all day. I'm sure Jones would admit that game was a failure on all counts.
Vandy always plays hard against UT and even the powerhouse teams of the 90s would often beat them by only a touchdown.
And the Vandy loss in 2013 wasn't "awful." They won 9 games and beat UGA. That was a good team. Dobbs wasn't ready to be QB at that point and we had no weapons at WR with North injured. Despite all that, Jones put the team in position to win but the players failed twice.
And having an NFL OL means nothing when you have crappy QB play.
I've seen plenty. He's outcoached Mark Richt and Steve Spurrier twice.
You really can't hold blowout losses against Oregon, Auburn, Mizzou, and Bama in 2013 against him, either. Those were all top 10 teams whereas UT was probably in the 50-60th range in terms of talent. Oregon, Auburn, and Bama had massive speed/talent advantages and Mizzou was a solid team all around in 2013. Plus, Jones was playing his 4th string QB in 3 out of 4 of those games.
It really seems like you're failing to take into account the fact that Jones has coached two teams at UT with massive deficiencies: QB/WR/team speed in year one and OL/QB in year two. The only P5 teams he has faced with the same types of issues are UK in 2013/2014, Vandy in 2014, and USC in 2014 (defense). He won all 4 of those matchups.
Like I said before, I'll be right there with you if he fails to produce this year. The schedule and roster are set up for 8-9 wins, and if we don't get there, then yeah, it's fair to call his coaching acumen into question.
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I agree with most of what you say. I have a feeling though that the talent disparity between what CBJ has recruited and what Dooley recruited was/is far worse than what class rankings can prove. I see CBJ getting players to fit his style. Dooley, in my unprofessional opinion, went willy nilly and just recruited anyone who would come. The lack of recruiting any O-line one year speaks volumes of Dooleys incompetence.
I think CBJ has to (and will) show progress this year beyond a .500 season.
Listen, I understand the shortcomings in personnel he had in 2013 and I fully understand how bad the OL was last year and that we had guys playing out of position. A center can't be expected to play tackle in football effectively, just like a power forward can't play point guard in basketball. But at what point does some accountability come in to play? Do we just accept 31 and 24 point losses and 27-0 first half deficits or at some point, do we ask, can our headcoach/coaching staff put together a gameplan so that we're in/have a chance to win every game we play....like it used to be?
At what point does a young talented team get "coached up" so they can stay in a game or even pull off a win vs a team they shouldn't? I'll give you the 2013 SCar game and I'll certainly say I was impressed with the in-game job he did vs Georgia in 2013....but after those 2 games, were there any others where you thought you had a coaching advantage? I'm even willing to give you last year vs Georgia....(although it almost looks like Georgia may have a similar-type mental block to play us as we have vs Florida, even though they always win the game).I didn't.
For balance, I would counter those two very good performances with embarrassing blowout losses to Oregon, Bama, Auburn and Mizzou. And I guess we'll just dusagree about Vandy in 2013.... that was a very bad loss to a highly overrated Vandy team to what was essentially a 1-man offense running the same play that we never adjusted to. We were also at home with our pride and a bowl game at stake, and we still couldn't beat a mediocre Vandy team. Still say it was a bad loss.
As far as Cooper in the Bama game, who else am I supposed to put the blame on, other than the guy in charge who talked all week prior to the game about how they would have to develop a defensive gameplan to deal with Bama's best player to have a chance to win? Cooper was a great, dynamic player, but there were some other teams, with less tape to watch on him, who figured out how to keep him from being a one-man wrecking crew. For example, Arkansaa held him to 2 catches for 22 yds, and lost by 1 point, 14-13....we fell behind 27-0 because he had 2 yds and nearly 200 yds receiving in the 1st half. Point is, Cooper didn't torch everybody he played, he had 5-6 games with less than 100 yds receiving ....but he hurt us more than anybody else he played. Again, he averaged 110 yds per game, but got 224 vs us.
Let me give another example. Year 1, 2013, we go out to play Oregon. No one expected to win that game, didn't even necessarily expect to keep it close. I certainly didn't, and there was no shame in losing to a very good Oregon team....but 59-14 (couldve been 80-14 had they not called off the dogs in the 3rd quarter). But what was the 1 advantage we did have? Offensive line. Did we ever even remotely find a way to control the line of scrimmage and run the ball? Answer is no. We had both a size and experience advantage with our OL vs their DL, yet not only were we not effective at trying to control the pace of the game with our running game, we couldn't convert any third downs after the first drive, which contributed heavily to a 59-0 run by Oregon....FIFTY-NINE TO NOTHING. And before anybody says "well, nobody could stop that Oregon offense that year, they were impossible to deal with", I refer to the Stanford game.....where Stanford lined up and puched Oregon in the mouth with their running game for 4qtrs, and not only did they not give up anything like a 59 point run, they actually won the game outright.....and I haven't looked, but I seriously doubt their entire OL found their way to NFL rosters like ours did.
Let me say this again. I love Butch, I think overall he's doing a great job rebuilding the absolute mess left to him and is the right guy to get us back to SEC and national relevance to whatever degree. But at this point, from what I believe the evidence shows us, if we do get back to 10+ win seasons and top 10 rankings, it'll be mainly because we out-talent teams, not out-scheme or out-gameplan them.
Agree wholeheartedly. And I'll say this as well....I think Butch will get us to 10 and 11 wins seasons, I honestly do. However, based on what I believe I've seen to date, I think he'll follow the Fulmer model, which, IMHO, is winning the majority of your games vs less talented teams and accumulating virtually all your losses to equally or more talented teams or vs the better coaches he faces, in the same way that Fulmer lost to Spurrier.
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as you say, everything off the field is almost perfect, and on the field if you don't see the drastic improvement from year to year you are blind. so is he there yet? no. will he get there? maybe.
If Jones was fired tomorrow he would leave TN a better team than what he got. which no coach since Majors left can say that.
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