O-Line Starting 5 Predictions

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sjt18 said:
Not really. Blair took his RS last year. Dobbs was on the scout team after they decided to RS him. It took the staff no time at all to move him up past Peterman once Worley was hurt.
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It was pretty clear they were trying to RS Dobbs prior to Worley getting hurt; Dobbs would have also taken his RS last year, just like Blair did, even though the exact reasons for don't have to be the same.
 
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The thing with Blair was his conditioning and trimming down a bit and that has seemed to work but right now the fact is he is on scout team. Hope the big man can change it around but if not we have players to play in his spot.
 
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walkenvol said:
I sure don't see where you're getting all the Mosley love from? It was communicated multiple times when he arrived last year that he was a 3* overweight project. He gets a broken leg in an accident so he couldn't have participted fully in the S&G program yet now he's going to displace our 2 returning starting DT's along with one of our 5* DT recruits?

Really hoping your right as this would be a great surprise, but I don't see where the optimism is coming from concerning Mosley?
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I don't see where you are getting all the Mosley hate from. He was a 4* recruit, but nice of you to try and find one service that rated him a 3* to try and support your rant....what a low class move on your part.

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VOLorNuttin said:
I don't see where you are getting all the Mosley hate from. He was a 4* recruit, but nice of you to try and find one service that rated him a 3* to try and support your rant....what a low class move on your part.

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No hate from me toward Mosley, I'm a big fan. He appears to be an upbeat guy and I'm hoping he develops into the player you're predicting - I just differ with your opinion on the time line. With the circumstances he's been through I think it will take some time instead of him being an instant impact. That's the norm for big guys like him - no knock. :thumbsup:
 
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Coleman needs to get the nod at center. Crowder is not at the SEC level due to his size and toughness. He's the O'Brien of the O-line.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
It was pretty clear they were trying to RS Dobbs prior to Worley getting hurt; Dobbs would have also taken his RS last year, just like Blair did, even though the exact reasons for don't have to be the same.
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What I am saying is that Dobbs was running the scout team because he wasn't needed as starter while Worley was healthy. His working with the scout team had little to nothing to do with him not being able to play or start.

If Blair is with the scout team and continues there then it seems almost certain that he simply isn't good enough to play.
 
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1standgoal said:
Coleman needs to get the nod at center. Crowder is not at the SEC level due to his size and toughness. He's the O'Brien of the O-line.
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Yet the coaches praise his work, intelligence, and especially his toughness. As for being "SEC level", the OL took a HUGE step back in the games he missed even while playing lesser competition. He returned for Iowa and they took a significant step forward.

While I think CT has a bright future at UT, NOTHING he did last year suggests he is ready to take on SEC DT's more so than Crowder. Also, iirc, they're about the same weight.


If Thomas beats Crowder out then it WON'T be because Crowder isn't "SEC level"... it will be because CT is a GREAT center.
 
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1standgoal said:
Coleman needs to get the nod at center. Crowder is not at the SEC level due to his size and toughness. He's the O'Brien of the O-line.
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I've seen a couple folks say things along these lines about Crowder, so I have to ask:

1. Why do you say he doesn't have the size? Here are a few other team's 2015 starting centers (best I can tell from their sites):
  • Alabama - Ryan Kelly - 6'5" 296 lb
  • Georgia - Glenn Welch 6'3" 280 lb //or// Sage Hardin 6'7" 280 lb
  • Ohio State - Jacoby Boren - 6'1" 285 lb
  • Tennessee - Mack Crowder - 6'2" 295 lb
He seems about the right size to me. So why do you say he's not?

2. Why do you say he's not tough enough? I mean, specifically, not just some general "Have you seen him play?" kind of response, but some specifics. What did you see to make you say this?

Thanks, I've wondered this for a while now.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I've seen a couple folks say things along these lines about Crowder, so I have to ask:

1. Why do you say he doesn't have the size? Here are a few other team's 2015 starting centers (best I can tell from their sites):
  • Alabama - Ryan Kelly - 6'5" 296 lb
  • Georgia - Glenn Welch 6'3" 280 lb //or// Sage Hardin 6'7" 280 lb
  • Ohio State - Jacoby Boren - 6'1" 285 lb
  • Tennessee - Mack Crowder - 6'2" 295 lb
He seems about the right size to me. So why do you say he's not?

2. Why do you say he's not tough enough? I mean, specifically, not just some general "Have you seen him play?" kind of response, but some kind of specifics. What did you see to make you say this?

Thanks, I've wondered this for a while now.
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I'm not sure how to embed video here with my iPhone, but if I could, I'd try to provide some video evidence. Iirc, their was a play vs Utah St last year where he got stood up and rag dolled, ending up about 3-4 yds in the backfield pretty much in Worleys lap. That certainly wasn't the only time, just the first one that came to mind.

That being said, the irony is that our offense ran much more smoothly last year when he was at center. Also, agree with you...his size isn't an issue. But I think maybe his strength/physicality is.
 
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KBVol said:
I'm not sure how to embed video here with my iPhone, but if I could, I'd try to provide some video evidence. I know one of the first plays vs Utah St last year, he got stood up and rag dolled, ending up about 3-4 yds in the backfield pretty much in Worleys lap. That certainly wasn't the only time, just the first one that came to mind.

That being said, the irony is that our offense ran much more smoothly last year when he was at center. Also, agree with you...his size isn't an issue. But I think maybe his strength/physicality is.
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Thanks, KB. Don't want to turn this into a semantics drill, but him getting beat a few times isn't, for me, about toughness. That's about size, quickness, skill and technique (and we're agreeing size isn't the problem). Toughness is whether he gets back up and tries again, time after time, even if he's getting beat, even if his knees are screaming in pain, even if he bloody and pissed off and frustrated and sore. In fact, the more he gets beat as you've described, the greater his toughness, as long as he keeps coming back to the line and trying. That, for me, is how you measure toughness. And I'm honestly curious about whether people have seen a lack of that in him. I have not.

From what I think you're saying, he wasn't far enough along in quickness, skill and/or technique. Is that an accurate restatement of what you're saying?

I'd still like to hear why the other poster thinks his size and toughness are his shortfalls.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I've seen a couple folks say things along these lines about Crowder, so I have to ask:

1. Why do you say he doesn't have the size? Here are a few other team's 2015 starting centers (best I can tell from their sites):
  • Alabama - Ryan Kelly - 6'5" 296 lb
  • Georgia - Glenn Welch 6'3" 280 lb //or// Sage Hardin 6'7" 280 lb
  • Ohio State - Jacoby Boren - 6'1" 285 lb
  • Tennessee - Mack Crowder - 6'2" 295 lb
He seems about the right size to me. So why do you say he's not?

2. Why do you say he's not tough enough? I mean, specifically, not just some general "Have you seen him play?" kind of response, but some specifics. What did you see to make you say this?

Thanks, I've wondered this for a while now.
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He has a lot of trouble with a true nose tackle.. Gets pushed back into the QB..
 
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Biopsyman said:
He has a lot of trouble with a true nose tackle.. Gets pushed back into the QB..
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See give and take with KB, above. Think you can make a case for quickness, reflexes, skill, technique...but the question is about his size and whether he's tough enough.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Thanks, KB. Don't want to turn this into a semantics drill, but him getting beat a few times isn't, for me, about toughness. That's about size, quickness, skill and technique (and we're agreeing size isn't the problem). Toughness is whether he gets back up and tries again, time after time, even if he's getting beat, even if his knees are screaming in pain, even if he bloody and pissed off and frustrated and sore. In fact, the more he gets beat as you've described, the greater his toughness, as long as he keeps coming back to the line and trying. That, for me, is how you measure toughness. And I'm honestly curious about whether people have seen a lack of that in him. I have not.

From what I think you're saying, he wasn't far enough along in quickness, skill and/or technique. Is that an accurate restatement of what you're saying?

I'd still like to hear why the other poster thinks his size and toughness are his shortfalls.
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I think he's big enough, tough enough and certainly smart enough....I think most question if he's strong/physical enough.
 
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KBVol said:
I think he's big enough, tough enough and certainly smart enough....I think most question if he's strong/physical enough.
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Biopsyman said:
Bingo.. Same size as Scott Wells but not as strong or needs help wuth leverage
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Yeah, okay, now this is making sense to me. Much more than size/toughness complaints.

So he needs more strength development and work on technique. The good news is, all that is 'fixable.' In fact, Crowder may already have made strides in those ways, and could make even more progress in the weeks/months ahead.

If he were the wrong size for the job, or not mentally/physically tough enough for it, those would be bigger problems to overcome.

So there's plenty of room to hope that he's significantly better in 2015 than he was in 2014.

We're in perfect agreement.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Bingo.. Same size as Scott Wells but not as strong or needs help wuth leverage
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Biopsyman I'd love to meet you and have dinner with you to learn your pro analyst qualities. Because right now I see you as bad wrong. Yes. Everyone of our team mates got beat a few times last year. Everyone. Our Center may have gotten beat on the first series of the first game and rolled back into the QB. Think about that. An All new O-line. Enough Stress to wreck a train, and an Entirely new group working together for the first game. As the season progressed everyone got better. Everyone. Did you watch the Season Finale in Jacksonville? Two "first round NFL draft picks" DTs were neutralized and made ineffective. Oh, and we won big time. Let's you and I have dinner and learn from each other.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yet the coaches praise his work, intelligence, and especially his toughness. As for being "SEC level", the OL took a HUGE step back in the games he missed even while playing lesser competition. He returned for Iowa and they took a significant step forward.

While I think CT has a bright future at UT, NOTHING he did last year suggests he is ready to take on SEC DT's more so than Crowder. Also, iirc, they're about the same weight.


If Thomas beats Crowder out then it WON'T be because Crowder isn't "SEC level"... it will be because CT is a GREAT center.
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Crowder is not an SEC caliber Center. He got blown up in all of the non-conference games, even against Utah State, Ark St and worst of all, UTC. THAT told me he ain't fit for the job. We just didn't have anyone better.

He might have the mental aspects of the job down, but he just doesn't have the size to hold up against some of the better DT's in FBS. Honestly, Crowder is the kind of Center you'd find at MTSU or Tennessee Tech.

I'm hoping Coleman Thomas will beat him out, as he certainly has the size. We're going to need it against some of the DT's we face in the SEC.
 
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NUVOLPOSTERPERSON said:
Biopsyman I'd love to meet you and have dinner with you to learn your pro analyst qualities. Because right now I see you as bad wrong. Yes. Everyone of our team mates got beat a few times last year. Everyone. Our Center may have gotten beat on the first series of the first game and rolled back into the QB. Think about that. An All new O-line. Enough Stress to wreck a train, and an Entirely new group working together for the first game. As the season progressed everyone got better. Everyone. Did you watch the Season Finale in Jacksonville? Two "first round NFL draft picks" DTs were neutralized and made ineffective. Oh, and we won big time. Let's you and I have dinner and learn from each other.
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If you are buying I am in
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, okay, now this is making sense to me. Much more than size/toughness complaints.

So he needs more strength development and work on technique. The good news is, all that is 'fixable.' In fact, Crowder may already have made strides in those ways, and could make even more progress in the weeks/months ahead.

If he were the wrong size for the job, or not mentally/physically tough enough for it, those would be bigger problems to overcome.

So there's plenty of room to hope that he's significantly better in 2015 than he was in 2014.

We're in perfect agreement.
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Good point VFL. I'm excited about this year because from the beginning of game1 last year to the end of the season finale WIN at the Taxslayer Bowl the entire O-line improved significantly. We pulled off a Big Win at South Carolina as the O-line got into perfect sync toward the end of the game (had a 1% chance of victory there). Although we got out of sync during Mizzou and Vandy - We certainly got back in sync at the Bowl Game and dominated on the ground and in the air, and won that point of attack. Two NFL future first round picks at DT for Iowa weren't noticed. hmmm. Sounds like SEC O-linemen to me. :good!:
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Crowder is not an SEC caliber Center. He got blown up in all of the non-conference games, even against Utah State, Ark St and worst of all, UTC. THAT told me he ain't fit for the job. We just didn't have anyone better.

He might have the mental aspects of the job down, but he just doesn't have the size to hold up against some of the better DT's in FBS. Honestly, Crowder is the kind of Center you'd find at MTSU or Tennessee Tech.

I'm hoping Coleman Thomas will beat him out, as he certainly has the size. We're going to need it against some of the DT's we face in the SEC.
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Other than the fact that the OL was better with Crowder than without him (which you actually seem to have ignored), your argument isn't with me. It is with the staff who have praised him. I'm guessing they would have been more reserved if they agreed with you.
 
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