Gus Malzhan

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oklavol said:
If Fulmer, Cutcliffe, and company had went to the Univ of Tulsa this year, would they have been #1 in total offense like they are this year? I have my doubts....
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Would Tulsa's Defense had been as bad? If UT played the same schedule that Tulsa did UT's offense ranking would be very, very high and UT would beat the hell out of Tulsa.

You are smarter than that OKie. Don't let yourself be painted in the same group as others.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Would Tulsa's Defense had been as bad? If UT played the same schedule that Tulsa did UT's offense ranking would be very, very high and UT would beat the hell out of Tulsa.

You are smarter than that OKie. Don't let yourself be painted in the same group as others.
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Do you have something that leads you to believe that Fulmer and Cutcliffe could have taken mediocre defensive talent and performed better with it? The question was about our staff coaching Tulsa's players against Tulsa's schedule. It wasn't about how UT would fare against Tulsa's schedule.

The point being that our guys are stuck in a particular mindset about football and that it would not have been as sucessful at Tulso. It's probably correct. Didn't say they could not have won or that they're lesser coaches, just that they could not have generated the #1 offense in the land. UT would beat the hell out of Tulsa, but to follow the point, probably would beat them worse if the offensive coaching staffs were reversed.
 
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DC Vol said:
Why would Cut have cared about the Defense?
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Beef asked whether the defense would have been as bad. That's why I made the point that those guys would have made no difference to the D. The hypothetical was about Fulmer and Cut being able to replicate what Malzahn did at Tulsa.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Do you have something that leads you to believe that Fulmer and Cutcliffe could have taken mediocre defensive talent and performed better with it? The question was about our staff coaching Tulsa's players against Tulsa's schedule. It wasn't about how UT would fare against Tulsa's schedule.

The point being that our guys are stuck in a particular mindset about football and that it would not have been as sucessful at Tulso. It's probably correct. Didn't say they could not have won or that they're lesser coaches, just that they could not have generated the #1 offense in the land. UT would beat the hell out of Tulsa, but to follow the point, probably would beat them worse if the offensive coaching staffs were reversed.
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The question and this whole line of thinking is stupid. You assume CPF would run the same type of offense if he had their talent level. You don't know. I know you don't like CPF and that is fine. But to assume that Gus is what we need it idiotic at best. I surely hope they don't hire a guy with little to no experience and no connections where we do most of our recruiting.
 
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when has Tennessee ever taken an average player and "coached them up"?
 
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rexvol said:
when has Tennessee ever taken an average player and "coached them up"?
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There is no use in even discussing that with you guys. Because if we point out a player that improved during his career at UT you guys just disregard it and say "nah, he improved despite the coaches." Its a never ending circle.
 
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rexvol said:
when has Tennessee ever taken an average player and "coached them up"?
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If your assuming that is what they did at Tulsa your wrong. It is VERY clear that Tulsa has more talent than just about all schools in their conf. And were more skilled at pretty much every position last night.
 
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therickbol said:
There is no use in even discussing that with you guys. Because if we point out a player that improved during his career at UT you guys just disregard it and say "nah, he improved despite the coaches." Its a never ending circle.
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no one ever gets better at UT. Players just come here to see their careers die.
 
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rexvol said:
when has Tennessee ever taken an average player and "coached them up"?
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Chris Brown was a 2-star recruit when he came to UT...I'd say they coached him up a bit.

Inky Johnson was a 2-star recruit as well. He was playing very well up until his injury.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
The question and this whole line of thinking is stupid. You assume CPF would run the same type of offense if he had their talent level. You don't know. I know you don't like CPF and that is fine. But to assume that Gus is what we need it idiotic at best. I surely hope they don't hire a guy with little to no experience and no connections where we do most of our recruiting.
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You responded to the question written by someone else. I simply responded to your response.

I don't think we need Malzahn and I'm not advocating him in any way. I do think he is a better offensive mind than anyone associated with our football staff, but there is dramatically more that goes into a winning offense. I'm not sold on Malzahn for any of that. I'm saying our guys could not or would not have done what he did, period.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You can start with the current offensive line.
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sure, Im sure you're going to point to our record setting year running the ball? or maybe the low number of sacks that has more to do with a senior QB's hair trigger throw it away syndrome?
 
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It's patently absurd to imply that we haven't coached a player "up". Even Manning would tell you that Cutcliffe did that. The difference in Ainge pre and post Cutcliffe is plenty to prove that Cutcliffe can coach QBs. No debate about coaching players up, although I'd argue that others do it better.
 
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Here's some more Rex

Josh Briscoe, you know the guy that had 101 yards receiving with a broken hand.

Lucas Taylor

Dan Williams
 
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#144
Our YPC for this season was very good. And, the sacks are in part attributed to the OL. The people in the know, better football experts than you and I, named Parker onto multiple all-conference/all-american teams. He came to UT without huge accolades. But yeah, he did not get coached up. Its all a mirage that he is a good OL. The quick throws must account for his post season awards.
 
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rexvol said:
sure, Im sure you're going to point to our record setting year running the ball? or maybe the low number of sacks that has more to do with a senior QB's hair trigger throw it away syndrome?
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Over half of our offensive starters are 3* guys. All of the others are 4*.


I don't mean any offense to any player, because they've worked/played their a$$es off, but they're nowhere near close to being nationally recognized on athletic ability alone. Ainge wasn't even rated the best player coming out of Oregon, much less nationally in his position. Same with Foster. Same with that entire bunch.
 
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therickbol said:
Our YPC for this season was very good. And, the sacks are in part attributed to the OL. The people in the know, better football experts than you and I, named Parker onto multiple all-conference/all-american teams. He came to UT without huge accolades. But yeah, he did not get coached up. Its all a mirage that he is a good OL. The quick throws must account for his post season awards.
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Munoz was an all american too. Using those lists as validation is worthless.

We can definitely coach players, but personnel development has not been our strong suit over the past several years.
 
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rexvol said:
sure, Im sure you're going to point to our record setting year running the ball? or maybe the low number of sacks that has more to do with a senior QB's hair trigger throw it away syndrome?
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Nope. The fact they are a group of unknowns that work pretty dang well together shows me a penchat for coaching up players. Also the fact we have linemen that play multiple positions says a lot about coaching ability.
 
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