This is f'n ridiculous

[KoachKletus]

Is there more to the story? One day he's a student at Cornell and the next he's living on the street?

Exactly. Cornell is one of the priciest schools in the country. Dude leaves Cornell to walk on at Baylor - and to be homeless on top of that? Smells like bear**** to me.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Still waiting for the non-NFL collegiate players of the past to sue the colleges for concussions and joint deterioration. That will bring an end to collegiate contact sports altogether. The universities will finally see that athletics are more of a liability than an asset and force these sports in to farm systems where they belong.

Most sports in the US is a racket, college sports is just so over the top ridiculous its hard not to laugh, hopefully many criminal indictments in the future, one can hope.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Exactly. Cornell is one of the priciest schools in the country. Dude leaves Cornell to walk on at Baylor - and to be homeless on top of that? Smells like bear**** to me.

He was homeless for the next year and took online community college courses at a library while sleeping on the floor at friends' apartments.

I realize you are only quoting the article, but what is it that makes him homeless? There's no reference to him having a job, so where is he getting money for food? And if he's able to stay at someone else's apartment then I wouldn't consider that to be homeless... unless homeless now means anyone who doesn't own a home.

 

[VolNExile]

I realize you are only quoting the article, but what is it that makes him homeless? There's no reference to him having a job, so where is he getting money for food? And if he's able to stay at someone else's apartment then I wouldn't consider that to be homeless... unless homeless now means anyone who doesn't own a home.

Couch-surfing because you have nowhere else to go, and you're not paying rent, etc. and you're there out of the kindness of their hearts, is generally considered homeless. Note: I didn't go back and read the article again. I was just replying to your last comment.

If you have your own place (own, rent, lease), stay with someone else as a roommate etc. or have another place to go (family who will take you in), you're considered "housed." I don't remember from the first time I read the article whether he had family with whom he could stay.

 

[508mikey]

Exactly. Cornell is one of the priciest schools in the country. Dude leaves Cornell to walk on at Baylor - and to be homeless on top of that? Smells like bear**** to me.

Yep -- not buying the story - I think he is a fake --- a walk on at Baylor might be good enough for a scholarship at Cornell

 

[LSU-SIU]

Yep -- not buying the story - I think he is a fake --- a walk on at Baylor might be good enough for a scholarship at Cornell

Someone can correct me if I am wrong on this but the Ivy league is a no athletic scholarship league. Either way the sooner the NCAA, and most of these conferences disappear the better, imo.

 

[508mikey]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong on this but the Ivy league is a no athletic scholarship league. Either way the sooner the NCAA, and most of these conferences disappear the better, imo.

Guess they dont give and kind of scholarships - If the kid was so hard up this article claims they have financial aid packages -









Ivy League schools provide financial aid to students, including athletes, only on the basis of financial need as determined by each institution's Financial Aid Office. There are no academic or athletic scholarships in the Ivy League.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Couch-surfing because you have nowhere else to go, and you're not paying rent, etc. and you're there out of the kindness of their hearts, is generally considered homeless. Note: I didn't go back and read the article again. I was just replying to your last comment.

If you have your own place (own, rent, lease), stay with someone else as a roommate etc. or have another place to go (family who will take you in), you're considered "housed." I don't remember from the first time I read the article whether he had family with whom he could stay.

Thanks for the insight. It made me curious so I did a little checking and this is the closest I could find relative to his situation (from the Department of Health and Human Services)...

An individual may be considered to be homeless if that person is “doubled up,” a term that refers to a situation where individuals are unable to maintain their housing situation and are forced to stay with a series of friends and/or extended family members.

I'm not sure if the article clearly stated if he was staying with a series of friends, or a single friend.

 

[VolNExile]

Good reference; I'd never seen that one. The VA takes homelessness very seriously, not only for the obvious reasons, but because of its impact on one's health, and the difficulty of providing continuity of care. I've read some toe-curling situations.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Guess they dont give and kind of scholarships - If the kid was so hard up this article claims they have financial aid packages - Ivy League schools provide financial aid to students, including athletes, only on the basis of financial need as determined by each institution's Financial Aid Office. There are no academic or athletic scholarships in the Ivy League.

Well, I can't pretend to know the facts as to this kid, I do believe I have enough to know what the NCAA, Conferences, Bowls, Coaches, Schools and their employees are doing to these kids... its morally, ethically and legally wrong.

 

[508mikey]

Well, I can't pretend to know the facts as to this kid, I do believe I have enough to know what the NCAA, Conferences, Bowls, Coaches, Schools and their employees are doing to these kids... its morally, ethically and legally wrong.

maybe, but that is what most kids dream of and want -- to be a highly recruited D1 athlete.

 

[VolGee4]

Well, I can't pretend to know the facts as to this kid, I do believe I have enough to know what the NCAA, Conferences, Bowls, Coaches, Schools and their employees are doing to these kids... its morally, ethically and legally wrong.

Seriously, what you have said in this thread makes it sound like you want college athletics to end. I know you don't. But please be careful what you ask for. Sure, the NCAA has some issues, but you are going over the top. These kids still get exposure from the product that comes from college athletics. I am not going to debate this because everyone has an opinion. But give it a rest.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Seriously, what you have said in this thread makes it sound like you want college athletics to end. I know you don't.

I certainly don't want athletics to end, and they don't have to. The solution is simply, they can comply with existing law, or in the alternative is I continue to call them criminals and the law suits will continue, and hopefully criminal prosecutions.

But please be careful what you ask for. Sure, the NCAA has some issues, but you are going over the top.

Actually, that is probably the opposite of the truth. Try and run a business like this and let me know how many life sentences you get.

These kids still get exposure from the product that comes from college athletics. I am not going to debate this because everyone has an opinion. But give it a rest.

MOstly irrelevant but your tone/stance in this paragraph kind of make it appear that you believe victims, and yes they are victims are fine because they might get some benefit from the crime/s.

Well, let me run a business like college sports and I will gladly give the victims some very small portion for their troubles, of course, I get to decide it all... how convenient.

America has gone so downhill people actually defend this stuff, out of their selfish desire to watch sports. I will give it a rest but yes, I am very disappointed in people as all of this is f'n ridiculous.

 

[CABVOL]

I certainly don't want athletics to end, and they don't have to. The solution is simply, they can comply with existing law, or in the alternative is I continue to call them criminals and the law suits will continue, and hopefully criminal prosecutions.


Actually, that is probably the opposite of the truth. Try and run a business like this and let me know how many life sentences you get.


MOstly irrelevant but your tone/stance in this paragraph kind of make it appear that you believe victims, and yes they are victims are fine because they might get some benefit from the crime/s.

Well, let me run a business like college sports and I will gladly give the victims some very small portion for their troubles, of course, I get to decide it all... how convenient.

America has gone so downhill people actually defend this stuff, out of their selfish desire to watch sports. I will give it a rest but yes, I am very disappointed in people as all of this is f'n ridiculous.

What is your stance on the fact that you support/watch sports of the institutions that you have declared as criminals?

 

[thetennlegend]

I certainly don't want athletics to end, and they don't have to. The solution is simply, they can comply with existing law, or in the alternative is I continue to call them criminals and the law suits will continue, and hopefully criminal prosecutions.


Actually, that is probably the opposite of the truth. Try and run a business like this and let me know how many life sentences you get.


MOstly irrelevant but your tone/stance in this paragraph kind of make it appear that you believe victims, and yes they are victims are fine because they might get some benefit from the crime/s.

Well, let me run a business like college sports and I will gladly give the victims some very small portion for their troubles, of course, I get to decide it all... how convenient.

America has gone so downhill people actually defend this stuff, out of their selfish desire to watch sports. I will give it a rest but yes, I am very disappointed in people as all of this is f'n ridiculous.

Dear god since when is a FREE education not enough payment to play a game!!! Trust me if you don't like the treatment you are receiving you can leave at anytime. The ncaa has flaws and always will because greedy people run it. It will never be perfect but you have to have some sort of governing body.

 

[VolGee4]

I certainly don't want athletics to end, and they don't have to. The solution is simply, they can comply with existing law, or in the alternative is I continue to call them criminals and the law suits will continue, and hopefully criminal prosecutions.


Actually, that is probably the opposite of the truth. Try and run a business like this and let me know how many life sentences you get.


MOstly irrelevant but your tone/stance in this paragraph kind of make it appear that you believe victims, and yes they are victims are fine because they might get some benefit from the crime/s.

Well, let me run a business like college sports and I will gladly give the victims some very small portion for their troubles, of course, I get to decide it all... how convenient.

America has gone so downhill people actually defend this stuff, out of their selfish desire to watch sports. I will give it a rest but yes, I am very disappointed in people as all of this is f'n ridiculous.

This debate could go on for days, months, years, and with your strong stance, no one will change your mind. Just because I believe that getting a free education, getting free food, free clothes, getting personal training from a high level instructor, getting taught by high level coaches, getting to use multimillion dollar workout facilities, getting nutrition advice, getting tutor help, getting to use million dollar academic facilities, getting to play in front of 100k people live on top of having their talents showcased in front of millions on TV are all valuable; it doesn't mean I support "criminals." You know what they could do? Shut it all down, and these players don't even get that chance to benefit from the product. Yes, these players work hard for their scholarship, but the benefits they receive are worth tens of thousands in the real world.

I went to law school and while in my third year, I made a small hourly wage doing administrative work that was necessary for the attorneys to handle cases. They made hundreds of thousands. That's the way it works.

Oh, and give me a real life example where a "victim" of a crime also benefits from the crime. Victims are those who are injured or even fooled in a certain way and don't expect or want to be taken advantage of. College athletes know what they are doing and choose to play a sport in hopes of honing their craft for future employment, whether that is in their sport or not. At this point, college athletics is the avenue in which you get to the highest level, just like law school for an attorney or med school for a doctor. Our country is getting soft and whiny.

 

[KoachKletus]

I certainly don't want athletics to end, and they don't have to. The solution is simply, they can comply with existing law, or in the alternative is I continue to call them criminals and the law suits will continue, and hopefully criminal prosecutions.


Actually, that is probably the opposite of the truth. Try and run a business like this and let me know how many life sentences you get.


MOstly irrelevant but your tone/stance in this paragraph kind of make it appear that you believe victims, and yes they are victims are fine because they might get some benefit from the crime/s.

Well, let me run a business like college sports and I will gladly give the victims some very small portion for their troubles, of course, I get to decide it all... how convenient.

America has gone so downhill people actually defend this stuff, out of their selfish desire to watch sports. I will give it a rest but yes, I am very disappointed in people as all of this is f'n ridiculous.

I don't consider watching sports selfish desire. It's entertainment. It sells. Much to the chagrin of the billion other soap operas - infomercials - so called realty puke - the kardashians - and komkast's never ending commercials - watching sports is actually entertaining. Now as for the NCAA, like any governing body, if they follow their own rules and process's they can and for the most part, are good organizations for the student /athlete. When it comes to the money sports, football & basketball, schools, in many, many cases are chasing the athlete with the student being an afterthought. Rules be damned - We want to pack the stadiums. It's all about the bennies. Okay, enough of my little tantrum.