Cal, Auburn, and Vols all in NIT?

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BigZiti09 said:
What if I said Larry Coker was one of the best 10 college football coaches of this decade? He won a national title and played for another. How many others can say that? Would you not agree Larry Coker was one of the greatest coaches since 2000?

You can't argue with the facts. If you do you're just spinning to fit your argument. Don't tell me how he inherited all those NFL players. That's spin.
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Well the problem here is that you are confused between what constitutes a fact and what is just opinion.

I guess that explains it
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Agreed, but he did what I thought was a good job in the 2014 class, but comparatively speaking has regressed in the 2015 class with much more time to work, and that's worrisome IMO, but hopefully we can hang on to White.
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I think he will get white and Blackwell in what will be his first top 25 class and hopefully the start of something big here.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I saw enough evidence in his recruiting after the signing of Jarnell to realize that the circumstances of the situation played a huge impact in signing him. In my opinion, the situation helped get Jarnell to Knoxville more than Cuonzo's recruiting ability. I don't see how anyone could argue it didn't play a role.

If the argument is that Cuonzo signed a better 2nd class than Tyndall, then I would say that Tyndall hasn't finished the class.

Or maybe you want to address my other point that Cuonzo only signed two top 100 players in four classes and Tyndall has already signed 1. Two if you want to count Woodson which I donh because I think he was only taken out of necessity after McKnight was denied. Tyndall has a 4* committed for 2016. I'm sure BTO and the other Cuonzo lovers would argue that he hasn't signed and a lot can happen but we only know what we know. He's committed to tyndall for now.
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Circumstances of the situation play a huge impact into EVERY player's decision to attend a school. Trying to discern between that and the concept of "recruiting ability" is completely futile and pointless

I agree that it's way too early to tell who is the better recruiter, but it makes no sense to try and make an argument based on that.
 
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golfballs said:
Well the problem here is that you are confused between what constitutes a fact and what is just opinion.

I guess that explains it
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No. I'm not confused. You are it seems.

I'm not arguing that Cuonzo didn't sign Jarnell.

I'm saying that it's important to consider all of the factors when discussing something that is subjective like "who is the better recruiter." It definitely is at this point when tyndall isn't finished with his class.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
There weren't many teams with an available scholarship when Woodson became available
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I don't give him any credit at all for woodson......if he had brought him turned him around and he made us better than I would have but CDT gets Zero credit for woodson in my opinion. I don't give him full credit for Mostella either but I do like how they scour the country looking for anyone that might be able to help.
 
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golfballs said:
Circumstances of the situation play a huge impact into EVERY player's decision to attend a school. Trying to discern between that and the concept of "recruiting ability" is completely futile and pointless

I agree that it's way too early to tell who is the better recruiter, but it makes no sense to try and make an argument based on that.
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It is futile if you only look at one recruit. I saw enough evidence in his recruiting after Stokes to realize that he wasn't a good recruiter. It is my opinion that if stokes had waited to sign it wouldn't have been with UT. This opinion was further cemented when Rob Lewis gave his thoughts on Cuonzo's recruiting efforts last spring.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
It is futile if you only look at one recruit. I saw enough evidence in his recruiting after Stokes to realize that he wasn't a good recruiter. It is my opinion that if stokes had waited to sign it wouldn't have been with UT. This opinion was further cemented when Rob Lewis gave his thoughts on Cuonzo's recruiting efforts last spring.
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Yes, and when it comes to making a compelling argument, opinion holds much less water than fact.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
It is futile if you only look at one recruit. I saw enough evidence in his recruiting after Stokes to realize that he wasn't a good recruiter. It is my opinion that if stokes had waited to sign it wouldn't have been with UT. This opinion was further cemented when Rob Lewis gave his thoughts on Cuonzo's recruiting efforts last spring.
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For the 2015 I remember Rob Lewis saying he "hadn't heard of anything" and he "had no idea what the staff was doing in terms of recruiting".

There were several recruits Cuonzo did grab that are bossing it"
- Wes Washpun is killing it for Northern Iowa (was recruited for his sheer athleticism)
-Armani Moore
-Josh Richardson
-Stokes obvi (special case)
-Antonio Barton (a reason we got to the S16)
-AJ Davis had some highlights here, Darius Thompson was a gifted passer, and Robert Hubbs was a great get at the time of his recruiting.


Obviously that outweighs with
- cheivous, Dwight Miller, Reese (gives his all tho), Travon Landry (lol), Yemi, Pops, and who ever else I'm forgetting.


But Donnie will also have recruits that come in, over produce and we will have guys come in who under produce. Just part of recruiting and athletics.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
What are the circumstances. He signed him in the spring signing period. Lots of teams could have signed him.

Tell me my agenda. Please
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If you don't realize that 1. Not every school in America had available scholarships in April 2. Not every school in American with an open scholarship can afford to take a risk on a recruit with academic issues or 3. That there was a prior relationship that benefited this recruitment.

Then yes, you have an agenda to downplay the get of one recruit, yet inflate the get of another. There is absolutely no way someone can look at Mostella and say his recruitment and situation was the same as 99% of other HS recruits.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
It is futile if you only look at one recruit. I saw enough evidence in his recruiting after Stokes to realize that he wasn't a good recruiter. It is my opinion that if stokes had waited to sign it wouldn't have been with UT. This opinion was further cemented when Rob Lewis gave his thoughts on Cuonzo's recruiting efforts last spring.
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After Stokes? By that do you mean signing another 5* in Robert Hubbs? You keep mentioning top 100, how many top 25 players did Tyndall and Martin respectively sign?

I'm not saying Martin was Calipari, I admitted many times his recruiting needed to improve, but my point is that at this point it's absolutely no better than what Martin had done at the same stage. Tyndall currently has us on pace for the lowest attendance, worst record and worst recruiting class in well over a decade...
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If you don't realize that 1. Not every school in America had available scholarships in April 2. Not every school in American with an open scholarship can afford to take a risk on a recruit with academic issues or 3. That there was a prior relationship that benefited this recruitment.

Then yes, you have an agenda to downplay the get of one recruit, yet inflate the get of another. There is absolutely no way someone can look at Mostella and say his recruitment and situation was the same as 99% of other HS recruits.
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Ok, fine. You want to say the Stokes and Mostella were both aided by circumstances. Fine. I don't care.

Doesn't change the fact that you have ducked time and again. Cuonzo Martin, in four classes, signed exactly 2 top 100 players. Donnie Tyndall signed half that amount in four weeks. Already has another committed in 2016.
 
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You still didn't answer the question.... Did you sign the petition ? Or will you just edit this one out too when you quote it ?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Ok, fine. You want to say the Stokes and Mostella were both aided by circumstances. Fine. I don't care.

Doesn't change the fact that you have ducked time and again. Cuonzo Martin, in four classes, signed exactly 2 top 100 players. Donnie Tyndall signed half that amount in four weeks. Already has another committed in 2016.
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Cuonzo Martin in 4 years signed 2 top 30 recruits, Tyndall has signed 0...wanna continue?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And if Tyndall doesn't sign a top 100 player he's still at 1 and 2 classes in, guess what, that's on pace for 2 in 4 years :thumbsup:
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Maybe we should wait four yrs before having this argument.....In your opinion do you think that Zo recruited at the level Tennessee needs him to be able to do?
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
You still didn't answer the question.... Did you sign the petition ? Or will you just edit this one out too when you quote it ?
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Ive answered the question no less than 20 times, when someone's argument gets shot to $hit that's their go to, how's the 20&20 in AAU coming?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Cuonzo Martin in 4 years signed 2 top 30 recruits, Tyndall has signed 0...wanna continue?
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4 years vs 10 months

I would hope tyndall doesn't recruit like martin. Sign 2 top 100 players in 4 classes and the rest are 3* guys most of which aren't ranked. Especially in his 4th class that he had plenty of time to build.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Maybe we should wait four yrs before having this argument.....In your opinion do you think that Zo recruited at the level Tennessee needs him to be able to do?
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It was very close IMO, I thought he deserved a 4th year and that the incoming class had a lot of potential, which is being proven by their freshman seasons at their respective schools.

Zo had a ton of near misses, which I get don't mean much, but when you think of if he landed Nichols and Looney how much different things would've looked and been perceived, it's hard to say much. Would making that Sweet 16 have made it to where we landed those guys instead of finishing 2nd? We will never know, but it's worth mentioning IMO
 
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