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terrypedigo said:
So dont have SEX until after you marry then crime will stop.:eek:lol:
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A married woman can still claim that she said no, and that her husband forced himself on her!

But, don't tell my wife, because I have her convinced that fulfilling my needs is part of her duties as my wife!! Lol!
 
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volssam said:
At the risk of getting bashed for being "radical"/"backwards"/"unrealistic"/"a prude", and at the risk of being the instigator of a thread derail....

....perhaps if people followed God's Will of abstinence until marriage, many if not all of these rape/assault allegations would stop.
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Not to derail this thread anymore than it already has been, but study after study shows that rape is not a crime of sexual desire but a crime of power. Sex is used as a weapon to show power and inflict pain, violence and humiliation.
 
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tomq_123 said:
Not to derail this thread anymore than it already has been, but study after study shows that rape is not a crime of sexual desire but a crime of power. Sex is used as a weapon to show power and inflict pain, violence and humiliation.
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volssam said:
As far as legitimate rapists who have issues and are criminals and seek out opportunities to commit rape, that may be a separate issue.

But I guess one of my main points was if sex had not taken place, there would be no accusation - true or false - to be made

Self-control is key. I know that's something we don't seem to be teaching our kids in this self-indulgent, hedonistic, instant gratification society we are in.
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tri_vol said:
Actually that law would not have applied to this situation. The law you stated only applied to a girl who was a virgin and the rape occurred where no one was around.

In this situation the girl would have been required to scream for help and someone at the party would have helped her. If she didn't then she would have been found guilty too and they all would have been stoned. Agree or disagree but that 2000 year old book would have settled this case quickly. It created a strong deterrent to sex crimes and virtually eliminated false accusations.

Falsely accuse a man and you were either going to die with him or be stuck with him for the rest of your life. Rape a woman and you were going to die. If it was matter of passion you didn't die but you had to care for the woman for the rest of your life. Simple and efficient.
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What does the good book say about altar boys?
 
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UTProf said:
Longish post but I hope you don't mind. :)



Hospitals, police officers, crisis centers, support groups, anonymous surveys and so on are all data rich. For example, a girl comes into the hospital and has quite obviously been sexually assaulted/raped (you can tell this via examination - without getting too explicit there are notable differences to a woman's private parts that are tale-tell signs that differentiate consensual from nonconsensual sex, tearing and the like is also how we know minors have been abused) but in the girl's case she's 18 and privacy laws protect her.

She does not have to come forward even if everyone on the hospital ward knows something horrible happened. In some cases, even if she tells the nurse or physician that she was raped they can't reveal this or call without consent (they can take anonymous surveys about patients for studies though which can reveal these things).

Police officers and first responders who are first on the scene often hear what happened and can see it with their own eyes and she may spill her guts about what happened (that occurs a lot) BUT their hands are tied when a girl of 18 refuses to make a statement or turns around and says 'no it never happened' even when everyone looking at her knows something did. Crisis centers can also gather stats without revealing patient/client info. As can several other methods.

There's little gain in lying anonymously and if we have an issue there then we are screwed because TONS of our research on all kinds of topics comes from these methods but a good survey is built for a margin of error and has means of detecting frauds.



Rapes and sexual assault in general go underreported everywhere but especially at college. Everyone knows by now you've got to have witnesses - someone groped you on the L-train will get reported but someone who did the same as you were passing through the hallway will likely just get a glare. Also, stranger rapists who take you down an alley or break into your house are more likely to get reported. On campus, everyone knows everyone and TBH women are still people pleasers (don't rock the boat types) at that point in their lives -- for some reason women tend to get much stronger as they age (that's just personal observation but for some reason between 60-80 women become bad@sses and of course for some that happens sooner).



That's not how a good survey works. The question there would be 'have ever you known anyone who was raped?' and it would fall into it's own statistical category. But I'm oversimplifying as it would be more thorough than that and there are controls for such things.



I haven't read this so I can't really comment on most of it let alone the stats but I'll put it on my general reading list.

I will say that with athletes being more likely to get convicted don't discount the racial aspect. Our criminal justice system is far more likely to convict you if you are poor and/or black and we know that many black athletes come from poverty. Considering a lot of these crimes happen at parties, remember, it's also easier to ID an athlete whose face is famous than a random fratboy. You may never have seen either in person but the athlete you've seen in the media and are familiar with how he looks. The fratboy you've never seen and maybe won't see again. Most campus rapes involve alcohol and that can make identification difficult.
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There's a lot here. Thank you for the well thought out reply.

I can only hit a few high points.

First, athletes get convicted less than the general population but indicted more. That was the eye opening revelation. Also, I wouldn't recommend the book in sum, just a few chapters at most.

Second, I don't doubt that there are ways to get good data with surveys, especially with the references you listed. However, when these ideas are stated by very competent people, I have yet to see a cited source that wasn't questionable if not downright incompetent in its methodology. You cited a plethora of ways that rape could be identified, then ways in which it wouldnt be reported. My issue isnt understanding the former, it is quantifying the latter. I am as interested where people get their information as I am in the information, especially in these sort of contentious subjects. Often, really bad science gets repeated by people who believe it to be true and contradictory information is totally ignored. That is dangerous.

Third, I don't doubt that rapes go unreported. I just want to know by how much. As I mentioned, numbers vary wildly. Some popular figures would suggest no option but military/police intervention as college campus in the US would be the rapiest and most dangerous place for women on the planet (even more concerning since women are basically 60% of college students-men would have to be roaming like packs of wolves). Others suggest more modest numbers in line with rape in the general population. Of those studies, some widely referenced, none that I have read seemed reliable in their methodology. The ones I've read rely on precisely the sort of survey questioned I referenced.The information is undoubtedly there, the trouble is mining it. Feelings aren't data but are frequently used as such.

Lost in all of this is a realization that all these numbers show that men are often victims too, and are still extremely stigmatized. This is no different than domestic violence in that regard. I fear this is becoming too one sided, too emotion driven, and we're not seeing the forest for the trees. When bad data becomes "truth" there will be no solution available.

If you have some readily available, reliable sources, that put a verifiable figure on these numbers, I'd love to read it. Email me at derek@mybloodisorange.com so we don't continue to clog up this board with academic discussion.

Interesting read:http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Do away with the drinking and illegal drugs and a lot of rapes would not take place.

"She didn't say No your honor, she couldn't have, she was unconscious".

SMH
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Do away with evil in people and a lot of rapes/allegations would not take place. It goes both ways. Alcohol and drugs aren't responsible for each and every evil act in this world.

SMH
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
Drugs and alcohol don't cause a lot of those issues either. I drink, and I've done drugs as well. Am I an evil person or have I ever sexually assaulted anyone? No. An evil person is an evil person whether they drink, do drugs, or even *gasp*...attend church on Sundays.
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I think you are wrong. Drugs and alcohol IMO are a major factor in a lot of sexual assaults. The Vandy case. Date rape drug cases, drunk guys not listening to "no". Drunk women who are passed out and can't say no. I'm sure there are ALOT of examples.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
Drugs and alcohol don't cause a lot of those issues either. I drink, and I've done drugs as well. Am I an evil person or have I ever sexually assaulted anyone? No. An evil person is an evil person whether they drink, do drugs, or even *gasp*...attend church on Sundays.
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At my church, we have to do a safe Sanctuary class. They tell us that one of the most popular places for pedophiles to try to get a child is a church. The people are more trusting.

You are correct. Evil is everywhere and they don't necessarily drink and do drugs.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I think you are wrong. Drugs and alcohol IMO are a major factor in a lot of sexual assaults. The Vandy case. Date rape drug cases, drunk guys not listening to "no". Drunk women who are passed out and can't say no. I'm sure there are ALOT of examples.
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Don't blame that on drugs or alcohol. Do you think those were "great" guys who would have NEVER been running in and out of the dorm room laughing and taking pics if alcohol hadn't been involved? Give me a break. The people who commit these acts are despicable human beings alcohol or not.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I think you are wrong. Drugs and alcohol IMO are a major factor in a lot of sexual assaults. The Vandy case. Date rape drug cases, drunk guys not listening to "no". Drunk women who are passed out and can't say no. I'm sure there are ALOT of examples.
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I wouldn't call drugs or alcohol the major factor in any of those scenarios. Good people don't rape people whether they're drunk/high out of their mind or not.
 
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jjay2518 said:
I wouldn't call drugs or alcohol the major factor in any of those scenarios. Good people don't rape people whether they're drunk/high out of their mind or not.
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Drugs and alcohol make good people do very stupid things. Things they would NEVER do sober. It's just a fact. Anyone who tells themselves drugs and or drinking has not led to sexual assault is just fooling themselves.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Drugs and alcohol make good people do very stupid things. Things they would NEVER do sober. It's just a fact. Anyone who tells themselves drugs and or drinking has not led to sexual assault is just fooling themselves.
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Rape isn't a stupid thing. It's an evil thing. I've been really drunk plenty of times, and raping someone has never even begun to cross my mind. Yes, being drunk impairs your judgement some. IMO there has to be something in you previously for you to rape someone when drunk though.
 
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Posters railroading the Blackman principal over the Shad resignation will look dumb when (if) they find out the whole story. Shad carries plenty of blame in the situation. He was doing something that would have gotten any coach in the state dismissed.
 
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