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Velo Vol said:
Of course.

Ukraine cease-fire agreement could signal a deal for Mistral warships - Business Insider
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#WrongSideOfHistory

Sooner or later, you guys are gloing to have to come to terms with the fact that the US is loosing respect from a lot of these countries and will eventually lose influence. Putin is 2-0 in the last 18 months at blocking American agreesion (Syria and no Ukraine). Look for there to be more eroding support of the Russian sanctions as the months (weeks) go along.

Vladmir Putin has gone a long way in earning a Nobel Peace Prize in the last 18 months than Obama could ever dream of doing.
 
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Velo Vol said:
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Are you gonna tweet her a few times?
 
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Burhead said:
Sad state of affairs. I also saw where the US may consider removing some of our economic sanctions.
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Well, why not? You can't on one hand say that sanctions don't work when it comes to Cuba at the same time they were trying to tighten the screws on Russia. American foreign policy lacks consistency. And I don't mean just the Obama Administration. We've had terrible foreign policy since the 1950's.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
#WrongSideOfHistory

Sooner or later, you guys are gloing to have to come to terms with the fact that the US is loosing respect from a lot of these countries and will eventually lose influence. Putin is 2-0 in the last 18 months at blocking American agreesion (Syria and no Ukraine). Look for there to be more eroding support of the Russian sanctions as the months (weeks) go along.

Vladmir Putin has gone a long way in earning a Nobel Peace Prize in the last 18 months than Obama could ever dream of doing.
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Two points:

1)Considering we have airstrikes in Syria I'd say this should fall into your category of "American aggression". While it is not against Russian lapdog Assad it is still within your domain of the term.

2)Again, you make some pretty far fetched statements but offer little evidence to back it up. Please tell me specific actions on how Putin has gone about earning the Nobel prize. Syria? Considering the weapons he's given Assad of late, I'd say the award committee would flunk that. Economic blackmail? Nope. Invading a neighbor? Forget about it. So by all means. Please give me some substance to back your claims up....right now your words are hollow and are no different than the lousy spin I see on several of the Russian stations I browse daily.
 
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Burhead said:
@MaximEristavi 11h11 hours ago

Rebels won't sign the #Minsk deal without Ukraine handing over crucial #Debaltseve, separatist leader Pushilin suggests to Russian journos
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Pacer92 said:
This ceasefire will never hold. Too many people don't want it, led by the US. The accusations of Putin and Russia are out en masse today. Putin played a constructive role in this ceasefire, but he's already being blamed for it's inevitable failure.

The bottom line is that there is too much money to be made by arming terrorists, arming countries at war and fighting wars ourself.

Again, warmongers gotta warmong..
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Pacer92 said:
Why would they agree to the terms laid out if they didn't?! They hold the trump cards with 8k soldiers surrounded and the Ukrainian army folding like a cheap suit. The common Ukrainian doesn't want this war, only the puppet politicians.

Regardless of what western media spin is put on it the people of the Donbas were attacked when they opposed the regime change. They are defending themselves and their region. They have a purpose..
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Pacer92 said:
I think that's irrelevant if they agree to the terms.
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dear God, you guys were calling for the peace talks, now that they have happened and the rebels are getting what they want you are saying they shouldn't sign. we have been saying from the beginning it didn't matter what the terms were the rebels weren't going to uphold their end of the bargain, again. and yet you continue to cheer for them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
#WrongSideOfHistory

Sooner or later, you guys are gloing to have to come to terms with the fact that the US is loosing respect from a lot of these countries and will eventually lose influence. Putin is 2-0 in the last 18 months at blocking American agreesion (Syria and no Ukraine). Look for there to be more eroding support of the Russian sanctions as the months (weeks) go along.

Vladmir Putin has gone a long way in earning a Nobel Peace Prize in the last 18 months than Obama could ever dream of doing.
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Dead on! The leaders of the Europe are starting to show signs of sidestepping the American agenda. Peace with Russia affects Europe unlike the US.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
#WrongSideOfHistory

Sooner or later, you guys are gloing to have to come to terms with the fact that the US is loosing respect from a lot of these countries and will eventually lose influence. Putin is 2-0 in the last 18 months at blocking American agreesion (Syria and no Ukraine). Look for there to be more eroding support of the Russian sanctions as the months (weeks) go along.

Vladmir Putin has gone a long way in earning a Nobel Peace Prize in the last 18 months than Obama could ever dream of doing.
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I'm thoroughly convinced at this point you are doing little more than trolling.

There is no way you believe any of this.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I can buy a better drone than that on eBay.
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Don't tell your comrade Putin. They've sunk a lot of money into the Orlan project and it is one of their top drones. Spetsnaz and the navy use it heavily. While I agree with you on the quality it does not take away from the fact that Russian government equipment used by the armed forces is being used in Ukraine.
 
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So basically, if the rebels follow the cease-fire, all the Ukrainians have to do is hold on for two days and they'll keep Debaltseve. In reality though that probably doesn't mean much though.
 
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LouderVol said:
apparently another one was shot down last may too

https://news.vice.com/article/untitled-post-1401465662
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I hate to be confrontational, I really do, but you're telling me that y'all can come up with pics or videos of Russian drones in a box or Russian patches on a camp jacket, yet you can't show us any of these huge convoys of Russian soldiers, tanks and missiles that are streaming into Ukraine like Mexicans across the Texas border?!
 
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Pacer92 said:
I hate to be confrontational, I really do, but you're telling me that y'all can come up with pics or videos of Russian drones in a box or Russian patches on a camp jacket, yet you can't show us any of these huge convoys of Russian soldiers, tanks and missiles that are streaming into Ukraine like Mexicans across the Texas border?!
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We've posted probably dozens of pics in the past but you don't seem to care. I listed an independent review of the arms and munitions used by both sides and in the list are some equipment never exported from Russia. Go onto Twitter and there are a few dozen accounts that track and identify the various equipment used by the separatists. What more do you want us to do?
 
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Pacer92 said:
I hate to be confrontational, I really do, but you're telling me that y'all can come up with pics or videos of Russian drones in a box or Russian patches on a camp jacket, yet you can't show us any of these huge convoys of Russian soldiers, tanks and missiles that are streaming into Ukraine like Mexicans across the Texas border?!
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Satellite imagery of Mexican tanks moving across the border, or it didn't happen.
 
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Burhead said:
We've posted probably dozens of pics in the past but you don't seem to care. I listed an independent review of the arms and munitions used by both sides and in the list are some equipment never exported from Russia. Go onto Twitter and there are a few dozen accounts that track and identify the various equipment used by the separatists. What more do you want us to do?
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I'm not talking of still pics of Russian arms. When Russia invaded South Ossetia there was no doubt! Agree?!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Soon..
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Interesting scenario, let me ask you this.

Say the Mexican and South American immigrants keep pouring across the border. One day in the near distant future they start occupying former territory of Mexico (Texas and whatnot) and government buildings with support of the Mexican government. They declare themselves independent and wish to return the land to Mexico. What, in your opinion, should the United States government do?
 
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Pacer92 said:
I hate to be confrontational, I really do, but you're telling me that y'all can come up with pics or videos of Russian drones in a box or Russian patches on a camp jacket, yet you can't show us any of these huge convoys of Russian soldiers, tanks and missiles that are streaming into Ukraine like Mexicans across the Texas border?!
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I hate to be confrontational but are you still denying Russia is involved? A Russian drone in a box is pretty convicting evidence. The Russian Foreign Ministry links some Croatian media report of a few Croatians volunteering as evidence of massive foreign soldiers in Ukraine's army. RT had some guy who had an English/American accent as proof NATO was involved.

Like I said before, there are plenty of media sources showing photos. The fact that Russia won't allow free and independent media along the border to take and post photos somehow makes it proof Russia is not involved. YouTube has plenty of videos of convoys driving through. Bellingcat has his own site. You say Russia is not involved but yet all of this material ONLY available in Russia and through official channels finds its way across. You claim freelancers. But as I said, Russia does not allow right to bear arms to this level especially to the point of a tank in every driveway.

Your problem is even with evidence you always come back with some lousy excuse about how it is still not proof. But yet you keep making stupid claims I ask for proof on and you have yet to offer me anything. I've asked you at least a half dozen times in the few days I've been back on for proof to your claims. You and Ras have yet to offer anything. I really do not expect you to provide proof because there isn't any. And I guess we deal with this circular argument of you making claims with no evidence and us providing evidence with our claims but yet you always have some excuse why it is not enough.
 
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