'16 NJ QB Jarrett Guarantano (Vols commit 4/15/2015)

[butchna]

Imo, pursuing others is part of the problem. Take 1 and stick with the guy. He sees you shopping, and after watching you take 3 the previous year he feels very uneasy. Butch said ideally 5 QBs on the roster. DON'T take 5 in a 2 year period. Jmo

We know.

 

[VolDango]

I doubt we ever take just 1 QB in a cycle with Butch here. The way the college game is played today you need all the great QBs you can get.

They've told Kendall he's it. But they'll keep recruiting QBs in case Kendall decommits at some point. He was a big Bajakian fan.

UT took 3 this year, no need for 2 more in 2016 if Jennings is staying put at QB. That'd be 6 scholarship QBs in 2016 lol. Not even Ohio State does that.

 

[VolDango]

The Ky mods on Rivals or 247 cant remember which one said that they expect him to flip withiN a few days. TIFWIW

Lol. No.

 

[Ethan Hooper]

Kendall doesn't need to jump the gun. If he decommits, we will take someone else. We are in on other good quarterbacks, and he might not be able to get back in.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

They've told Kendall he's it. But they'll keep recruiting QBs in case Kendall decommits at some point. He was a big Bajakian fan.

UT took 3 this year, no need for 2 more in 2016 if Jennings is staying put at QB. That'd be 6 scholarship QBs in 2016 lol. Not even Ohio State does that.

Butch informed Kendall he was offering another QB for the 2016 class. I think Kendall knows what that means. 2 QBs could easily work, especially if a transfer or change of position happens before 2017-which is very likely, because of the quantity/quality we signed this yr. I'd wager Butch had that scenario in mind when taking 3 QBs this year.

2 in 2016 might look like...

SR Dobbs
SO 2015 signee
RS Fr 2015 signee (50/50 shot of transfer or position change)
RS Fr 2015 signee (50/50 shot of transfer or position change)
Fr 2016 signee
Fr 2016 signee

Then 2017 might look like:

JR 2015 signee
RS So. 2015 signee
So 2016 signee
RS Fr 2016 signee
Fr 2017 signee

 

[cncchris33]

Imo, pursuing others is part of the problem. Take 1 and stick with the guy. He sees you shopping, and after watching you take 3 the previous year he feels very uneasy. Butch said ideally 5 QBs on the roster. DON'T take 5 in a 2 year period. Jmo

How do you know what Austin is doing though? If he is wavering, then maybe that is why we are continuing to recruit/stay in contact with other QBs.

Chicken vs egg. Did we pursue other QBs, and cause AK to waiver? Or, did he begin to waiver, and then we began to pursue other QB?

 

[QGP]

How do you know what Austin is doing though? If he is wavering, then maybe that is why we are continuing to recruit/stay in contact with other QBs.

Chicken vs egg. Did we pursue other QBs, and cause AK to waiver? Or, did he begin to waiver, and then we began to pursue other QB?

Exactly, recruit all of them. At the end of the day we will have a great class like always. Kendall, I am sure has kept in touch w/ UK especially since his brother is there. I am not sure he will be able to turn down the opportunity to play with his brother. Coaches are just doing the same as the recruits, keep your options open.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

How do you know what Austin is doing though? If he is wavering, then maybe that is why we are continuing to recruit/stay in contact with other QBs.

Chicken vs egg. Did we pursue other QBs, and cause AK to waiver? Or, did he begin to waiver, and then we began to pursue other QB?

Extending QB offers to other QBs when this kid believes he is it, would tend to trigger one to waiver. Especially if you have paid attention to how recruiting is being handled.

Sign more, sign more, sign more, will eventually backfire IMO. Looks like AK is paying attention.

 

[QGP]

Imo, pursuing others is part of the problem. Take 1 and stick with the guy. He sees you shopping, and after watching you take 3 the previous year he feels very uneasy. Butch said ideally 5 QBs on the roster. DON'T take 5 in a 2 year period. Jmo

And then you're like Nebraska when Bussey walked. You promise the kid you wont recruit another player at that position, then they walk 2 months before signing day. Bad news if you do that, IMO.

 

[cncchris33]

Extending QB offers to other QBs when this kid believes he is it, would tend to trigger one to waiver. Especially if you have paid attention to how recruiting is being handled.

Sign more, sign more, sign more, will eventually backfire IMO. Looks like AK is paying attention.

First off, CBJ made it clear, and even asked AK if he had an issue with recruiting and taking another QB. AK said, "No problem."

Secondly, let's assume they decided not to take another 2016 QB after adding S. Jones. How do you know that our pursuit of another QB now isn't in reaction to AK's waivering, and not the other way around? You seem hellbent on the idea that he is waivering because we are still recruiting other QBs, and apparently not acknowledging the possibility that he waivered first, forcing our hand.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

First off, CBJ made it clear, and even asked AK if he had an issue with recruiting and taking another QB. AK said, "No problem."

Secondly, let's assume they decided not to take another 2016 QB after adding S. Jones. How do you know that our pursuit of another QB now isn't in reaction to AK's waivering, and not the other way around? You seem hellbent on the idea that he is waivering because we are still recruiting other QBs, and apparently not acknowledging the possibility that he waivered first, forcing our hand.

UT offered Oden over 2 months ago and 6 months after taking AKs commitment. I'm paying attention.

 

[butchna]

How do you know what Austin is doing though? If he is wavering, then maybe that is why we are continuing to recruit/stay in contact with other QBs.

Chicken vs egg. Did we pursue other QBs, and cause AK to waiver? Or, did he begin to waiver, and then we began to pursue other QB?

Recruiting scared dictates we babysit a prized recruit and take undue risks on depth at the position he's being recruited for...don't fill too many spots because we don't want the little bunny to run away. Put your team on edge praying for relative health and that the whims of a teenager won't shift anyway if you do everything right. Great teams put up something for recruits to flock to. A good program like Duke will jump through hoops and do song and dance routines for a once in a lifetime type of player...lifetime for them...3 years for what we're aiming towards...JMO.

 

[cncchris33]

UT offered Oden over 2 months ago and 6 months after taking AKs commitment. I'm paying attention.

You still aren't answering my questions though, so are you really paying attention?

1. How do you know what Austin Kendall has done or said to the staff internally over the last <fill in the blank> months?

2. How do you explain his "blessing" to continue to pursue a 2nd QB to CBJ, only to now, potentially use it as an excuse out of his commitment (which we still aren't sure is even true)?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

You still aren't answering my questions though, so are you really paying attention?

1. How do you know what Austin Kendall has done or said to the staff internally over the last <fill in the blank> months?

2. How do you explain his "blessing" to continue to pursue a 2nd QB to CBJ, only to now, potentially use it as an excuse out of his commitment (which we still aren't sure is even true)?

When did Kendall give his blessing? I might have missed that.

 

[cncchris33]

When did Kendall give his blessing? I might have missed that.

You'll have to look through his thread. Butch Jones made him aware of their intention to take another QB in 2016, and asked him if he would have an issue with that. His response was that he did not have an issue with it.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

You'll have to look through his thread. Butch Jones made him aware of their intention to take another QB in 2016, and asked him if he would have an issue with that. His response was that he did not have an issue with it.

That's not what I found when looking.

"Sad to see him go. I was closest with him from Tennessee but I've built the relationship with the staff that it won't change how I feel. Coach Jones said I'm their guy in 16' and they are only taking one QB from the 16' class."

Adam Friedman
Mid-Atlantic Recruiting Analyst

Oddly enough, right after that was posted you commented and said adding Jones late may mean UT only takes 1 in 2016.

TIFWIW

 

[DaddyChad]

Recruiting is fluid. Class needs change as situations on your roster change. I think we probably wouldn't have taken three this past year but we had a thin position, Peterman gave you no chance of winning, and S Jones was interested in coming here. I see no problem with taking the kid IF Butch let the other two know before the fact. I see little problem with it even if he didn't inform them. Fact is you have to compete and win the position whether it be here or anywhere else.

 

[cncchris33]

That's not what I found when looking.

"Sad to see him go. I was closest with him from Tennessee but I've built the relationship with the staff that it won't change how I feel. Coach Jones said I'm their guy in 16' and they are only taking one QB from the 16' class."

Adam Friedman
Mid-Atlantic Recruiting Analyst

Oddly enough, right after that was posted you commented and said adding Jones late may mean UT only takes 1 in 2016.

TIFWIW

He said it long ago. Before Jones committed, which is why I said it may change the plans on taking a 2nd one in 2016. It might not even be in his thread. Maybe the tweets thread, or another QBs thread where this issue was discussed.

Kendall did give the idea of taking 2 QBs in 2016 his blessing at one time. Taking Jones may have changed Kendall's opinion since he made that statement though. I won't pretend to know what is going on inside his head and recruitment.

 

[kamoshika]

Guarantano baffles me a bit as a prospect. While he has good size, I don't understand why he's so coveted by top programs when his numbers to date are about the least impressive I've seen for a kid ranked so highly. I mean, he's thrown more interceptions than TDs.

Stats obviously aren't everything, of course, but his are strikingly ordinary. Has he just been incredibly impressive at camps/combines?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I said it before. Kendall could think he was "the guy". Its shown that once he EEs, all bets are off. UT will take another QB if they want to no matter what they told the recruit. Anyone paying attention, including the recruits and their family is seeing how it works at UT. Some will be cool with it, some won't.

 

[butchna]

That's not what I found when looking.

"Sad to see him go. I was closest with him from Tennessee but I've built the relationship with the staff that it won't change how I feel. Coach Jones said I'm their guy in 16' and they are only taking one QB from the 16' class."

Adam Friedman
Mid-Atlantic Recruiting Analyst

Oddly enough, right after that was posted you commented and said adding Jones late may mean UT only takes 1 in 2016.

TIFWIW

FWIW...I'm grateful to Butch for taking care of the university instead of recruiting scared in fear of losing a fragile Riley Ferguson. You probably wouldn't have the "problem" of 3 highly rated QBs flocking to a non bowl team stewarded by Nathan Peterman. You can postulate that Riley would have stayed and he may have...isn't Dobbs fun to watch?

 

[butchna]

I said it before. Kendall could think he was "the guy". Its shown that once he EEs, all bets are off. UT will take another QB if they want to no matter what they told the recruit. Anyone paying attention, including the recruits and their family is seeing how it works at UT. Some will be cool with it, some won't.

I always vote for cool people...some prefer nervous spazzes, but a cool QB seems the better bet...JMO FWIW GOD BLESS AMERICA :hi:

 

[BondJamesBond]

Extending QB offers to other QBs when this kid believes he is it, would tend to trigger one to waiver. Especially if you have paid attention to how recruiting is being handled.

Sign more, sign more, sign more, will eventually backfire IMO. Looks like AK is paying attention.

So you are advocating promising him no competition? If that is his requirement, do we want him? Jones, Dormady, and JJ seemed good with all three signing, even though that wasn't "predicted". Maybe ball players are not prima donnas and are tougher than you think. At least, the ones we want.

 

[butchna]

So you are advocating promising him no competition? If that is his requirement, do we want him? Jones, Dormady, and JJ seemed good with all three signing, even though that wasn't "predicted". Maybe ball players are not prima donnas and are tougher than you think. At least, the ones we want.

You don't think an insecure QB afraid of competition could be a preseason all-SEC QB for us like Dobbs is? Off-topic what's Riley Ferguson up to these days?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So you are advocating promising him no competition? If that is his requirement, do we want him? Jones, Dormady, and JJ seemed good with all three signing, even though that wasn't "predicted". Maybe ball players are not prima donnas and are tougher than you think. At least, the ones we want.

No competition? Dobbs, Dormady, Jennings, Jones. Even if 1-2 walk, there is competition. Folks fail to realize that you DO NOT build your roster or starting line up in 1 class. "He has no one to compete against". Well except for the 3-4 class's before his and the 3-4 coming in behind him. LOL